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Thursday, 25 July 2024

"When God Became White" is a Neo-Gnostic Book About Worshipping the Divine Feminine

"When God Became White: Dismantling Whiteness For A More Just Christianity" by Grace Ji-Sun Kim is an awful book. It is unabashedly racist, lacks historical nuance, is unscholarly, and is heretical in all of its notions of who God is. Grace's thesis is God is not a white man and we should worship the divine feminine. 




I am not going to dwell on the historical aspects of this book. That would take way too long because it is chock full of bad history. Instead I want to focus on its spiritual aspects. The page numbers used are from a PDF and might not reflect the actual book's numbering.

Here are just a few examples of the bad history contained within the pages of this book.

It was Augustine who developed the just-war theory in the fifteenth century based on the understanding that there are worse evils than physical destruction. This just-war theory has been a dominant Christian empire-building position used repeatedly since Augustine’s time to wage wars and crusades.

pg. 48

During the European Renaissance (1350–1600 CE), Leonardo da Vinci’s Last Supper and Michelangelo’s Last Judgment were painted on the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel.

pg. 102
This is completely wrong because Augustine did not live in the 15th century and da Vinci's The Last Supper is in Milan which is far from the Roman Sistine Chapel. Are these typos? How could an editor overlook these obvious errors? If Grace cannot get something so small correct then how can she be trusted with her overarching thesis which embraces world history and the development of Christianity? She cannot be trusted.

During the COVID pandemic there were many attacks on people of Asian descent in the USA. Grace claims those attacks were a by-product of whiteness.

And again, we saw a surge of hate crimes during the Covid-19 pandemic where elderly and young Asian women were beaten, kicked, yelled at, and even murdered. The Atlanta spa shooting in 2021 resulted in the murder of eight people in a rampage at three spas. Six out of the eight murdered were Asian, and this violent act has become an ongoing pattern.

pgs. 80-81
It would be tedious to point out the fact that the majority of those incidents were not hate crimes but the acts of mentally disturbed black homeless men. The spa rampage in Atlanta was also not a hate crime but 
the result of a sex addiction that conflicted with (the killer's) religious beliefs.
Those facts are inconvenient to the leftist racist screed that is this book so they are excised.

Finally, no anti-white book is complete without mentioning Trayvon Martin.

On February 26, 2012, a seventeen-year-old African American boy, Trayvon Martin, was shot dead by George Zimmerman while walking home to his father’s fiancée’s townhouse in Sanford, Florida. The life of this young, innocent Black boy was taken because he was perceived as being in the wrong neighborhood.

pg. 120
Wrong. Plain wrong. Here are the facts of the case and as laid out before a jury. A gated community had been suffering a rash of break-ins. Community watchman George Zimmerman, a Hispanic man, saw a person he did not recognize and considered suspicious. After calling 911 he decided, against advice, to confront Martin. Martin violently assaulted Zimmerman causing Zimmerman to fire his gun in self-defense. Trayvon Martin was by no means the innocent cherub which the media and leftists portray him as.

Photo of George Zimmerman taken after the shooting

After the initial investigation Zimmerman was cleared of any wrong doing. It was not until a nationwide outcry arose that he was finally charged with murder. A jury trial acquitted him of all charges. The fact that this lady is continuing to push such a blatantly false narrative 12 years after the fact says all we need to know about her and this book. She is not serious and she is a liar. The review could end here but we shall press on to the spiritual aspects.

Grace Ji-Sun Kim spills a lot of ink disparaging missionaries who spread "The White Good News" and ignored native cultures and religions believing theirs was superior.

European Christianity was transported to Africa without any respect for African religions, spirituality, culture, and their rich religious history.

pgs. 55-56

Christians need to honor and respect indigenous traditions and carefully listen to their prayers, regalia, songs, sacred drumming, and dance. The white church must come to welcome and recognize indigenous peoples as a vital part of God’s community and kingdom on earth.

pgs. 60


These two sentences tell us that Grace does not see any difference between Christianity and non-Christian religions. Praying to Jesus Christ is just the same as sacred drumming to the Great Spirit. What would she say to Paul and the other Apostles who travelled the world to preach Jesus Christ? What would she say to Jesus Christ who commanded them to do so? What exactly is her view of The Great Commission?

Grace thinks white missionaries are not really preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified but "whiteness" which is really just racism.


As white Christianity spread, it impacted and molded the identities of people of color around the globe in an attempt to Anglicize these other cultures. Part of the “good news” that was shared was intended to separate people of color from their own cultural heritages and customs and adopt a white Christian identity, practice, and religion.

White Christianity, which was disseminated by European missionaries and adopted through white enslavers, is not the true Christianity that it has routinely positioned itself to be. True Christianity cannot and should not endorse racism, xenophobia, subjugation, discrimination, domination, colonialism, or enslavement. Christianity through the lens of the powerful, the mighty, or the colonialist cannot be the real Christianity of love, liberation, and hope that Jesus shared as he walked the earth. This is not good news. Therefore, it is necessary to recognize the colonizer aspect of white Christianity, unpack and dismiss its defining components, and move toward a Christianity that is truly liberating and empowering for all people of color.

pgs. 71-72
This whiteness shows up in Christian theology.

Throughout the history of Christian theology, all the major theologians have portrayed God as male and white. For example, Anselm of Canterbury presents a theory of atonement that portrays God as a European feudal lord. Martin Luther uses male pronouns to speak about God and talks about God as ruler of the two kingdoms. These are masculine attributes and ideals. The problem with this representation is that it stratifies and systematizes a faith that is supposed to embrace the idea that all people are equal. This social understanding has damaged all other ethnic groups and led to the attempted destruction of other cultures.

pg., 87
Grace never explains her comments on Anselm. She never takes the time to explore and unpack his theology and prove why it is white and thus wrong. As for Luther, is Grace totally unaware that the Bible represents God as a king and refers to Him as He? Of course she is. Regal and male pronouns are problematic.

It is not just the whiteness of God that is problematic but also the gendering of God as a man. These two identities of whiteness and maleness that were cast on the Christian God have influenced church doctrines, liturgy, prayer, hermeneutics, and the life of the church. This gendered God is emphasized in the Old Testament as well as in the New Testament. Male pronouns and nouns have been used throughout the Scriptures to describe and refer to God. It is strange that throughout church history, strong patriarchal words such as KingMasterLordSovereign, and Almighty are used to talk about a loving and graceful God. In light of sexism, gendered violence, and other atrocities committed against women in society and in Christianity, this white gendered understanding of God is clearly problematic.

A gendered God legitimizes and promotes patriarchy and discrimination, and it subordinates and problematizes women in church and society. When racism and sexism intersect, women of color—especially Black women—endure the greatest hardships and atrocities.

Women live in a world where men push them to assume the status of the other, and they have become subjugated in society, family, and under religion. This dynamic is demonstrated in various spheres of society and in relationships such as in traditional marriages, family relationships, and the church where men have power over women.

To make women into an other benefits men greatly. Simone de Beauvoir believes that men view woman as a sexual partner, a reproducer, an erotic object—an other through whom he seeks himself. Women have been objectified by men throughout centuries in many cultures and societies. As objects, women can be violated, abused, and sexually assaulted without any fear of repercussion. In our world where so much of our existence is cast in dualistic terms, the division this creates prevents us from being able to embrace hybridity, ambiguity, and trans identity. 

pg. 131
According to Grace "strong patriarchal words such as KingMasterLordSovereign, and Almighty" are antithetical to love and grace. Proof? None. She asserts it and moves on to stating that these patriarchal terms lead to the subjugation of women "in relationships such as in traditional marriages." Yeah, Grace is against traditional marriages but is gung-ho for trans identity. What is a woman, Grace?

How did Jesus become white anyway? It has to do with power.

So how did an olive-brown-skinned Jesus become white, and what is the purpose of having a white Jesus and a white God? It has to do with power. A white Jesus and a white God are created and reinforced by the desires of those who held power and authority. During the Roman Empire, an olive-brown-skinned Jesus was not useful for the expansion of their empire and kingdom. They needed a white Jesus who resembled them to validate their dominance, dominion, and authority. An olive-skinned Jewish Jesus would have opened the door to there being a different authority, so he became white with blue eyes and blond hair to resemble those who were already in power—the Roman Empire.

pg. 100
What follows are several paragraphs of unproven assertions with very little footnotes. Grace is making it up as she goes. 

According to Grace not only is a white Jesus harmful but so is the Biblical imagery of whiteness as purity from sin because it alienates people of color.

The white European early churches found it easy to make Jesus white as there are biblical references to white being good, pure, and beautiful and tradition of white Europeans inventing a white Jesus. It was so widely believed that this was the “true” image and likeness of Jesus, that Brown, Black, and Asian people around the globe hung this image in their churches, homes, and offices as a way to exhibit their Christian faith and belief in Jesus.

Black being associated with night and evil. The equating of whiteness with purity and goodness in the Bible created the perfect vehicle for whitewashing Jesus. The notion of the color white as good has been transferred to Jesus, who is seen as pure, perfect and holy. John 1:29 states, “Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” Lambs are depicted as white and pure even though they come in different colors. Think of the nursery rhyme: “Mary had a little lamb; its fleece was white as snow.” This imagery of Jesus as the pure sacrificial Lamb of God reinforces and sustains the idea of Jesus being white.

Scripture also states, “If your sins are like scarlet, will they become like snow? If they are red like crimson, will they become like wool?” (Isaiah 1:18). Sin is bad and we are stained/tainted by it, but once we are forgiven, we will be made white as snow. The perpetual focus on white imagery in the Bible as an indicator of goodness and purity alienates people of color.

pg. 102-103
Proof? What is the proof that the Biblical imagery of whiteness "alienates people of color?" There is none offered. Since she offers no proof her claim must be dismissed as frivolous. 

Furthermore calling Jesus Light and contrasting him with darkness is harmful dualism. Calling Jesus Logos is also harmful because it is masculine. Sophia, the divine feminine, is a better choice.

In John 8:12, Jesus says, “I am the light of the world,” which means he is pure and good. Jesus came into the world to bring light into darkness. Jesus is the light, and light is goodness and stands in contrast to the darkness, which is evil and bad. The writer of John lived in a dualistic world, and he incorporates that dualism into the imagery of Jesus as the light in a dark and evil world. Darkness and light are separate and cannot be brought together.

Dualism is very problematic as it divides the world into two categories in which there can be no harmony. In this dualistic world, Jesus can only be viewed as white and male as both categories are lauded as good and desirable. The feminine is on the opposite end of the spectrum from the male.

Within dualism, we also see the contrast of knowledge, or the masculine logos, as better than wisdom, or the feminine Sophia. The preference for logos over Sophia also leads to a male Jesus. Jesus is understood as the word of God; as Scripture states, “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1).

pg. 104

That's right Grace thinks the word Logos should be replaced by Sophia because such a change would "save women." 

In Scripture, the feminine Wisdom is clearly associated with God and assigned to Jesus. “In contrast, God is why you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30). Jesus is Wisdom and therefore embodies a feminine dimension of God. This is provocative news that got sidelined by male leaders.

John’s prologue reads, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). But scholars “detect an association with Jewish wisdom (Sophia)” underneath the language of Word/logos. If this is the case the text would be better understood as "In the beginning was the Wisdom and the Wisdom was with God, and the Wisdom was God” (John 1:1). This is in line with Proverbs 8:22-31, where Wisdom is co-creating with God: “Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth . . . then I was beside him, like a master worker” (Proverbs 8:23, 30). “Wisdom is depicted as a person accompanying God in the act of creation. The Word’s personification and creative activity in John’s prologue suggests a link with Jewish Sophia. . . . John’s personification of the Word draws on the personification of Sophia.” This emphatically shows that Sophia is God, which then reinforces the feminine divine.

pgs. 143-144

Christianity today would be different if we focused on Sophia rather than logos. This feminine understanding of God turns our understanding of God upside down. It goes against all the one-sided masculine, authoritative, fearful images of God and presents a God who takes care, loves, and rejoices in us. Sophia presents a hopeful reimagining of God in a patriarchal world. It saves women.

pg. 145

Save them how? Let's explore that thought. No? Ok. Moving on. 

She wants to abandon the maleness of Jesus Christ the Logos for the divine feminine of Sophia. That is neo-gnostic heresy. Again, her problem is not with a so-called white Jesus or white Christianity or patriarchy but with the Bible. Surely she is aware that Jesus is a man, right? Interestingly the fact that Jesus is a man is never brought up except in a negative way with the purpose of rejecting it.

How can we unpack whiteness and move towards a nonwhite Christianity?

Remembering their white privilege and how it gets translated into Christianity and Christian practice is a major step toward healing choices to eliminate whiteness from Christianity. Songs, hymns, prayers, and liturgical choices that reflect a global contextual understanding of faith and Christianity would be a major step toward justice.

pg. 88
Grace wants "to eliminate whiteness from Christianity" through syncretism. According to Grace syncretism is part and parcel of Christianity. 

Embracing a both/and approach to Christianity and faith will help the church move toward a more holistic view of faith and spirituality. Syncretism and mixing of religions and culture have always been part of the Christian church history, and we need to allow this syncretism to exist for every culture.

pg. 66

According to Grace when white people syncretize that's good. When colored people do it that's bad.

Christianity has always been a mixing of various cultures and religious practices. For example, if we look at Anselm’s theory of atonement, he used European cultural concepts and ideas such as lord and serf from his own period in the Middle Ages. Additionally, when we come together to celebrate Easter, we must not ignore its pagan roots and practices. The inclusion of Easter eggs is a pagan practice that has become a staple image during Easter. Easter started out as a celebration of the spring equinox, a time when all of nature awakens from winter and the cycle of renewal begins anew. Anglo-Saxon pagans celebrated this rebirth by invoking Eostre or Ostara, the goddess of spring and fertility. Pagans decorated eggs to celebrate rebirth and gift them to family and friends. This does not have anything to do with the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the tomb. But it all eventually became part of white Christian Easter celebrations, which is an example of syncretism. When white Christians engage in syncretism it is never understood to be syncretism. Rather it is simply accepted as Christianity and Christian tradition. It is only when people of color engage in syncretism that people get alarmed and nervous about it.

pg. 152
Again where is her proof for anything in that paragraph? It's mere assertion with no weight. Easter, also known as Passover, has been with Christianity from the beginning. It has NOTHING to do with the Spring equinox or Estore. Here is her second chance to break down Anselm but she once more refuses to do so. Has she even read Cur Deus Homo? What is her view of the atonement exactly?

Forget about the Bible saying there is ONE FAITH. White folks must pull from every faith tradition around the globe and eliminate themselves from Christianity altogether. Good-bye Aquinas, Anselm, Luther, Calvin, St. Francis, and every other white theologian who has uniquely enriched the faith of billions of BOTH sexes and all colors over the past few hundred years. Say hello to...Grace does not say who exactly.   

What needs to be done is to build new Christian traditions based on non-European contexts?

We need to engage with one another and learn from one another, especially those who are so different from us. This will deepen our own Christian faith and build new Christian traditions going forward.

pg. 93

What will these new Christian traditions be? How does Grace Ji-Sun Kim envision this new Christianity shorn of the influence of white men like Anselm? 

We need to move away from a raced and gendered God. A masculine white God has perpetuated sexism and racism deep within church and society. To achieve any form of justice and peace, we need to seek ways of reimagining and talking about a nonwhite and nongendered God. One way is to talk about the Shekinah and Sophia and emphasize the feminine dimension of God. This will do wonders to half the world’s population who feel suppressed, subordinated, and subjugated by the church’s teachings of patriarchy which was reinforced by a white male God. Another way is to use Spirit language.

pg. 159

Yes, let us move away from male-centric, Biblical language like Father and Son and emphasize the FEMININE DIMENSION OF GOD. Now Grace has moved the goalposts and God is gendered as a woman. Nice Job. Why is it better God is gendered as a woman and not a man? She does not say. Inclusion and justice, I suppose.

My goal is to work toward reimagining a nonwhite and a nongendered God—a God who can help us build a more just society, faith community, and loving church. Spirit God will teach us that everyone is equal and everyone, regardless of gender, race, and ethnicity, is welcomed into the body of Christ. But how do we incorporate these new practices into our lives so we can move toward a nonwhite and nongendered God who embraces all people? We reimagine God by rethinking and rewriting worship and liturgy, reconsidering discipleship, and reshaping our community of faith. Reconceptualizing our understanding of God will inform and impact our behavior in church and society.

pgs., 161-162

One of the best places to start is thinking of God as Breath.

We can also think of God as vibration

pg. 164
What is this nonsense? This certainly is not Biblical. God is not breath or vibration. Did she forget Jesus, who incarnated as a man and who is the ONLY mediator between God and man, is God? Does she confess Jesus is God? Does she understand Jesus had everything that pertains to being a male? 

Rather than focus on a male Jesus Christ, who just so happens to be the center of the Christian faith and the subject of the entire Bible, Grace wants us to reflect upon God as genderless Spirit.

A liberative way of understanding God is to view God as Spirit. Spirit is genderless and raceless.

pg. 157

Yes, we should always have the Holy Spirit in mind when thinking of God because He is part of the Trinity. No, Spirit is not genderless. Jesus says when the comforter, that is the Holy Spirit, comes HE will lead us into all truth. I refer Grace and every other reader to this article where the maleness of the Holy Spirit is made abundantly clear from scriptures and also the entire issue of feminine and masculine traits as applied to God is discussed. Her thesis that this language has been ignored and suppressed by the Church is flat out wrong. Again, Grace's problem is ultimately with the scriptures and not the bugbear of White Christianity.

Oddly enough Grace undermines her project of "reimagining God" by acknowledging God is beyond our imagination.

God is beyond our own words and imaginations. Our finite human minds cannot conceive an infinite God. God is that which we cannot fully comprehend and understand. God cannot be bound by the limitations and imaginations of human beings. Exodus 3:14 states, “I AM WHO I AM.” We cannot limit God’s eternity and how “God will be who God will be.” We cannot confine God to our little minds, as God is beyond ourselves. Augustine said, “If we think that is God, that is not God.”

pg. 152-153
If this is true then why not stick to the revelation given in Scripture that God is King and Father? Because, as I previously noted, Grace's problem is with the Scriptures. Knowing her doctrine of the Scriptures  regarding infallibility, inerrancy, and inspiration is a necessary key to unlocking this book which she does not provide.

It is too bad Grace does not explore apophaticism but that is par for the course as she was content with maligning Anselm's theology of the atonement in a passing comment rather than exegete his texts and prove her point. 

There is so much nonsense in this book that I cannot continue. I have left plenty of material on the cutting room floor. A true examination of "When God Became White" would require an even bigger book. This article is a cursory glance in comparison. I will mention one last tidbit from Grace.

Chi is an Asian term for spirit and is a helpful concept for us living in the West as it assists us to overcome the dualistic tendencies of white Christianity. White Christianity views the body as evil as well as matter, but in Eastern philosophy, the body is important. Chi seeks bodies, for it is within our bodies that we experience the dynamic flow of Chi, and it is Chi that heals us physically and spiritually. We must allow the free movement of Chi to strengthen us, heal us, motivate us to do the work of God.

pg. 156

This is too stupid to comment on so I won't. Suffice to say she is making another unproven and wrong assertion. Now, White Christianity has become Manichaeism. Also Chi is best translated force not spirit.  The Force in Star Wars is modeled after Chi. Take that into account, you must. Grace wants us all to be Jedis rather than worship the personal Holy Spirit who the scriptures present as male. 

Believe it or not Darth Vader makes an appearance in this book. 

The perception of Black people as evil is even embedded in our pop culture and literature. In the Star Wars movie franchise, the good people are white and Darth Vader, who is the prominent evil character, is dressed in black from head to toe. This pervading imagery of black being bad and white being good perpetuates racism, prejudice, and stereotyping of Black people and other people of color, both implicitly and explicitly. The list of examples of the stereotyping and racist acts that are happening in our society against people of color goes on and on.

pg. 120
Forget about his redemption. Darth Vader perpetuates racism because his costume is black. Her note on this section is interesting.

Darth Vader is the most prominent evil character in the Star Wars movie franchise. Original trilogy villains such as Grand Moff Tarkin and Emperor Palpatine are white, but the one who stands out most prominently in the franchise is Darth Vader, who is dressed in black.

pg. 184
Some Star Wars villains are white but Vader is dressed in black. Is she aware Anakin Skywalker, who became Darth Vader, is a white man too? Can everyone please stop abusing Star Wars for their ridiculous racist and sexist agendas? I'm looking at you Disney.

Who is this book written for? White people? No! It is written for nonwhite people, especially women, who have embraced the traditional God of the Bible who identifies as the Lord God Almighty and who Jesus tells us to call Father. She wants those readers to keep a journal to mark their spiritual progress as they decolonize their faith from all expressions of anything that could be considered white and male. Grace even includes a section of Questions for Reflection and Discussion to assist them in that endeavor.

This book is garbage. It is filled with irrelevant autobiographical details, it is filled with bad history, it is filled with assertions and generalizations, and it is ultimately a call to abandon the Christian faith for the neo-gnostic heresy of worshipping the divine feminine, Sophia. If you come across this book don't buy it. Just leave it alone to collect dust. You're better off reading the Pistis Sophia than this race-baiting claptrap. 

Sunday, 11 June 2023

Jean Daille on the Right Use of the Fathers

Jean Daille was a 16th century French protestant clergyman who wrote an important treatise on the right use of the Church Fathers. 

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A35787.0001.001?view=toc

In essence Daille argued that the Fathers are no competent judges in the controversies facing the Church in the sixteenth century. Those controversies are:

...the doctrines of transubstantiation, and the adoration of the eucharist, or the monarchy of the Pope, or the necessity of auricular confession, or the worshipping of images, and similar points, which are those of the present controversies, and which none of the ancients have treated expressly and by design, or perhaps ever so much thought of? pg. 34

I am going to sum up each chapter of this book and supply a relevant passage or two to illustrate that summary.

BOOK ONE

Chapter 1: We have very little of the Father's writing from the first three centuries. These centuries are the most important because nearer to the time of the Apostles and thus purer.

The first Reason, therefore, which I shall lay down for the proving of this Difficulty, is, The little we have ex∣tant of the Writings of the Ancient Fathers, especially of the First, Second, and Third Centuries; which are those we are most especially to regard. For, seeing that one of the principal Reasons that moveth the Church of Rome to alledge the Writings of the Fathers, is to shew the Truth of their Tenets, by the Antiquity, which they reckon as a Mark of it; it is most evident, that the most Ancient ought to be the most taken notice of. And in∣deed, there is no question to be made, but that the Christian Religion was more pure, and without mixture, in its beginnings and Infancy, than it was afterwards, in its Growth and Progress: it being the ordinary course of Things, to contract Corruptions, more or less, according as they are more or less removed from their first Institu∣tion: As we see by experience in States, Laws, Arts, and Languages; the Natural Propriety of all which is con∣tinually declining, after they have once passed the Point of their Vigour, and, as it were, the Flower and Prime of their Strength and Perfection. pg. 26

Chapter 2: The writings of the Fathers from the first centuries treat of far different matters than those of the present controversies.

But suppose that neither the want of Books in the Three First Centuries, nor yet the abundance of them in the Three following, should bring along with it these inconveniences; it will however be very hard to discover out of them, what the Opinion of their Authors hath been, touching those Points of Christian Religion now controverted. For the Matters whereof They treat, are of a very different nature; these Authors, according as the necessity of their times required, employing them∣selves either in justifying the Christian Religion, and vindicating it from the aspersion of such Crimes wherewith it was most falsely and injuriously charged; or else in laying open to the World the Absurdity and Im∣piety of Paganism; or in convincing the hard-hearted Jews; or in confuting the prodigious Fooleries of the Hereticks of those times; or in exhortations to the Faithful to Patience and Martyrdom; or in expounding some certain Passages and Portions of the Holy Scripture: all which things have very little to do with the Controversies of these times, of which they never speak a Syllable, unless they accidentally or by chance let a Word drop from them, toward this side, or that side, yet without the least thought of us, or of our Controversies; although both the one and the other Party sometimes lights upon Passages, wherein they conceive they have discovered their own Opinions clearly delivered, though in vain for the most part, and without ground: just as he did, that hearing a Ring of Bells, thought they perfectly sounded out unto him, what he in his own thoughts had fancied. pg. 32-33

Chapter 3: The writings of the Fathers are filled with forgeries and it is too hard to them out. And being that that task is very difficult how much more difficult can it be to find out their opinions.

And thus we see what confusion there is in the Books of the Ancients, and what defect in the Means which is requisite for the distinguishing the False from the True: insomuch that, as it often falls out, it is much easier to judge what we ought to reject, than to resolve upon what we may safely receive. Let the Reader therefore now judge, whether or no these Writings having come down along through so many Ages, and passed through so many Hands, which are either known to have been notoriously guilty, or at least strongly suspected of Forgery, the Truth in the mean time having made on its part but very weak resistance against these Impostures; it be not a very hard matter to discover, amidst the infinite number of Books that are now extant, and go under the Names of the Fathers, which are those that truly belong to them; and which again are those that are falsely imposed upon them. And if it be so hard a matter to discover in gross only which are the Writings of the Fathers; how much more difficult a Business will it be to find out what their Opinions are touching the several Controversies now in agitation. pg. 59 -60

Chapter 4: The legitimate writings of the Fathers are filled with the errors of scribes some of which are malicious interpolations.

But, put the case now here, that you had by your long and judicious Endeavours severed the True and Genuine Writings of the Fathers, from the Spurious and Forged: there would yet lie upon you a second Task, whose event is like to prove much more doubtful, and fuller of difficulty than the former. For it would con∣cern you in the next place, in reading over those Authors which you acknowledge for Legitimate, to distinguish what is the Author's own, and what hath been foisted in by another Hand; and also to restore to your Author, whatsoever either by Time or Fraud hath been taken away; and to take out of him whatsoever hath been added by either of these two. Otherwise you will never be able to assure your self, that you have discovered out of these Books, what the true and proper meaning and sense of your Author hath been; considering the great Alterations that by several ways they may have suffered, in several Times. pg. 61

Chapter 5: The writings of the Fathers are difficult to understand because of their idioms, languages, and rhetorical flourishes. 

Now I do not know, why a Man may not, with as much reason, say of the most of the Writings of the Fathers, as Jerome did of some certain Expositors of some parts of the Scriptures, That it was more trouble to understand Them well than those very things which they took upon them to expound: that is to say, That it is much harder rightly to understand Them, than the Scriptures themselves. For, that a Man may be able fully to understand them, it is in the first place necessary, that he have perfect and exact skill in those Languages wherein they wrote; that is to say, in the Greek,and Latin, which are the Tongues that most of them wrote in. pg. 102

Chapter 6 The Fathers frequently conceal their own opinions and say things do they not believe.  

Let any rational Man therefore now judge, whether or no this course must not necessarily embroil, and inwrap in a world of almost inexplicable Difficulties, the Writings of the Fathers. For, how is it possible that we should be able to judge, when they speak as they thought, and when not? Whether they mean really what they say, or whether they make but a flourish only? Whether the Bread which they shew us, be to deceive, or to feed us? Whether the Problems they propose be solid, or slippery ones? Whether their Positions be Dogmatical, or Oeconomical? pg. 154

Chapter 7 The Fathers changed their opinions as they aged. 

Amongst all the Ecclesiastical Writers, the Pen men of the Old and New Testament only have received the knowledge of Divine things by an extraordinary Inspiration: the rest have acquired their knowledge by the ordinary means of Instruction, Reading, and Meditation; in such sort, as that this Knowledge came not unto them in an instant, as it did to the others; but increased in them by degrees, ripening and growing up by little and little, in proportion as they grew in years: whence it is, that their Writings are not all of them of the same weight, nor of the same Value. pg. 156

And when all is done, who knoweth not, that there are some Trees that bear their Summer-fruit even in the very beginning of the Summer, when as the Spring-time is yet hardly past? And again, the Fruits which are gathe∣red at the end of the Later Season, are not always the ripest: for Time, in stead of ripening, many times rotteth them. In like manner is it also with Men, and consequent∣ly with the Fathers. Sometimes their Summer yieldeth much more, and better Fruit than their Autumn. For, as for the Winter, that is to say, the last part of our Age, it is evident that it usually brings forth nothing at all, or if it do chance to force it self beyond Nature, the Fruits it bringeth forth are yet worse, and more crude and imperfect, than those even of the Spring. 

Seeing therefore it is for the most part impossible to give any certain judgment of these things, either by the History of these Authors, or by their Books themselves; and that again on the other side, without this we ought not to sit down upon any thing we find in their Writings, as reckoning we have made a discovery what their Opinions have been: we may safely conclude in this Point also, as we have done in the former, That it is a very hard matter to know truly and precisely what the Opinions and Sense of the Ancients have been, touching the Differences at this day debated amongst us. pg. 161- 162


Chapter 8 It is difficult to discern if the opinions of the Fathers were necessary and absolutely true or true yet only probably and contingently so. 

Now according to this diversity of Degrees, the Belief or Ignorance of these two Propositions are also of very different importance. The first of them we may not be ignorant of, and much less deny, without renoun∣cing Christianity. The second we may be ignorant of, and even deny too, as supposing it false, yet without any great danger. To be able therefore to come to a clear and perfect understanding, what was the Sense of the Fathers touching the Points of Religion at this day controverted amongst Us, it is necessary that we should know, not only whether they believed, or not believed them; but also, how they believed, or not believed them: that is to say, whether they held them as Propositions Necessarily, or Probably, either True, or False; and besides, in what Degree either of Necessity, or Probability they placed them. pg. 163 - 164

The very hope of effecting so weighty a Matter can hardly be excused from the guilt of High Presumption. For, first of all, the Fathers tell us very seldom, in what Degree either of Necessity, or Probability, they held their Opinions: and even when they do tell us, their Expressions being such, as we have observed of them, we ought not presently to conclude any thing from them, without first examining them through∣ly. For, many times, when they would recommend unto us such things, as they accounted profitable for us; they would speak of them, as if they had been Necessary: and so again, to take off our Belief of, and to divert our affections from such things as they conceived either to be simply false, or otherwise unprofitable for us; they re∣presented them as the most detestable and pernicious things that could be. pg. 172 - 173

Chapter 9 We must know the opinions not only of one or two Fathers but the entire Church.

And now see how we are fallen again into new Difficul∣ties. For, whence, and by what means may we learn, whether the whole Church, in the time of Justin Martyr, or of S. Augustine, or of S. Hierome, maintained the same Opinions in every particular, that these Men several∣ly did, or not? pg. 177 

As for example, when Athanasius, S. Ambrose, S. Hierome, S. Augustine, and others, discourse touching the Son of God, they speak nothing but what is conformable to the Belief of the Church in General; because that the Belief of the Church had then been clearly and expressly delivered upon this Point: so that whatsoever they say, as to this Particular, may safely be received, as a Testimony of the Churches Belief. And the like may be done in all the other Points, which have either been positively determined in any of the General Councils, or delivered in any of the Creeds, or that any other way appeareth to have been the pub∣lick Belief of the Church.

If the Fathers had but contain∣ed themselves within these Bounds, and had not taken liberty to treat of any thing, save what the Church had clearly delivered its Judgment upon; this Rule might then have been received as a General one; and, what opinion soever we found in them, we might safely have concluded it to have been the Sense of the Church that was in their time. But the curiosity of Mans Nature, together with the Impudence of the Hereticks, and the Tenderness of Conscience, whether of their own or of others, and divers other Reasons perhaps, having partly made them willingly, and partly forced, and as it were constrained them to go on further, and to proceed to the search of the Truth of several Points, which had not as yet been established by the universal and publick Consent of all Christians, it could not be avoided, but that necessarily they must in these Inquiries make use of their own proper Light, and must deliver upon the same their own private Opinions; which the Church, which came after them, hath since either embraced, or rejected. pg. 178

Chapter 10 If the Fathers did discuss the present controversies it is difficult to tell if such was only their opinion or if it was received by the whole Church. 

But suppose that a Father, relieving us in this difficult, or rather impossible business, should tell us in express terms, that what he proposeth, is the sense and opinion of the Church in his time; yet would not this quite deliver us out of the doubtful condition we are in. For, besides that their words are many times, in such cases as these, liable to exception, suppose that it were certainly and undoubtedly so; yet would it concern us then to examine, what that Church was, whereof he speaketh; whether it were the Church Universal, or only some Particular Church, and whether it were that of the whole World, or that of some City, Province, or Country only. 

Now that this is a matter of no small importance is evident from hence; because that the opinions of the Church Universal in Points of Faith are accounted infallible, and necessarily true: whereas those of Particular Churches are not so, but are confessed to be subject to Errour. So that the Question being here touching the Faith, which ought not to be grounded upon any thing, save what is infallibly true; it will concern us to know, what the judgment of the Church universal hath been; seeing the opinion of no Particular Church can do us any service in this case. pg. 184 - 185

I could here produce divers other Examples; but these may suffice, to shew, that the Opinions and Customs, which have been received in one Part of the Church, have not always been entertained in all the rest. Whence it evidently follows, that all that is acknowledged, as the opinion, or observation of the Church, ought not therefore presently to pass for an Universal Law. pg, 189 

I shall not here enter into an Examination, whether this Answer be well grounded, or not: it is sufficient for me, that I can safely then conclude from hence, that according to this account, before you can make use of any Opinion, or Testimony out of any of the Fathers, it is necessary, that you first make it appear, not only that it was the Opinion of the Church at that time; but you must further also clearly demonstrate unto us what Churches opinion it was; whether of the Church Universal, or else of some Particular Church only. pg. 189 - 190

Chapter 11 It is impossible to know the belief of the ancient Church whether universal our particular as to the points of controversy in these days. 

Before we pass on to the Second Part of this Treatise, it seemeth not impertinent to give the Reader this Last Advertisement, and to let him know, that though all these Difficulties here before represented were removed, yet notwithstanding would it still be impossible for us to know certainly, out of the Fathers, what the Judgment of the whole Ancient Church, whether you mean the Church Universal, or but any considerable Part thereof, hath been, touching the Differences which are now on foot in Religion. pg. 192 

Now the Fathers having written with a purpose of informing us, not what each particular Man believed in their time, but rather what they thought fit that all Men should have believed; we must needs con∣clude, That certainly they have not told us all that they knew touching this particular. And consequently there∣fore, partly their Charity, and partly also their Prudence, may have caused them to pass by in silence all such Opi∣nions, either of whole Companies, or of particular Per∣sons, as they conceived to be not so consonant to the Truth. But supposing that they had not any of these con∣siderations, and that they had taken upon them to give us a just Account, each Man of the Opinions of his particular Church wherein he lived; it is evident however, that they could never have been able to have attainēd to the end of this their Design. For, how is it possible that they should have been able to have learnt what the Opi∣nion of every single Person was, amongst so vast a Multitude, which consisted of so many several Persons, who were of so different both Capacities and Dispositions?  pg. 194 - 195

CONCLUSION

WE have before shewed how hard a matter it is to discover what the Sense of the Fathers hath been touching the Points at this day controverted in Religion; both by reason of the small number of Books we have left us of the Fathers of the First Centuries; and those too which we have, treating of such things as are of a very different nature from our present Disputes; and which besides we cannot be very well assured of, by reason of the many Forgeries and monstrous Corruptions which they have for so long a time been subject to; as also by reason of their Obscurity, and Ambiguity in their Expressions; and their representing unto us many times the Opinions rather of others, than of their Authors: besides those many other Imperfections which are found in them, as namely, their not informing us in what degree of Faith we are to hold each particular Point of Doctrine; and their leaving us in doubt, whether what they teach be the Judgment of the Church, or their own private Opinion only: and whether, if it be the Judgment of the Church, it be of the Church Universal, or of some Particular Church only. 

Now, the least of these Objections is sufficient to render their Testimony invalid: And again, on the other side, that it may be of force, it is necessary that it be clearly and evidently free from all these Defects; forasmuch as the Question is here, touching the Christian Faith, which ought to be grounded on nothing, save what is sure and firm. Whosoever therefore would make use of any Pas∣sage out of a Father, he is bound first to make it appear, that the Author out of whom he citeth the said Passage, lived, and wrote in the first Ages of Christianity; and besides, that the said Person is certainly known to be the Author of that Book out of which the said Passage is quoted: and moreover, that the Passage cited is sincere, and no way corrupted, nor altered: and likewise, that the Sense which he gives of it, is the true genuine Sense of the Place; and also, that it was the Opinion of the Author, when he was now come to Ripness of Judgment, and which he changed not, or retracted after∣wards. He must also make it appear, in what degree he held it, and whether he maintained it as his own private Opinion onely, or as the Opinion of the Church: and, lastly, whether it were the Opinion of the Church Universal, or of some particular Church only: which Inquiry is a Business of so vast and almost infinite labour, that it makes me very much doubt whether or no we can be ever able to attain to a full and certain assurance what the Real Positive Sense of the Ancients hath been, touch∣ing the whole Body of Controversies now debated in this our Age. Hence therefore our principal Question seems to be decided; namely, Whether the alledging of the Fathers be a sufficient and proper Means for the demonstrating the Truth of all those Articles which are at this day maintained by the Church of Rome, and re∣jected by the Protestants, or not? For who doth not now see, that this kind of proof hath as much or more difficulty in it, than the Question itself? and that such Testimonies are as Obscure, as the Controverted Opinions themselves? pg. 206 - 208

BOOK TWO

Chapter 1 The testimonies of the Fathers on the doctrines of the Church are not always true and certain.

Now, as concerning the Testimonies that they give, touching the Faith held by the Church in their time, I know not whether we ought to receive all they bring, for certain Truths, or not: But this I am sure of, that though they should deserve to be received by us for such, yet nevertheless would they stand us in very little stead, as to the Business now in hand. The Reason which moveth me to doubt of the former of these, is, because I observe, that those very Men who are the greatest Admirers of the Fathers, do yet confess, that although they erre very little, or not at all, in matter of Right, yet nevertheless, they are often out, and have their failings in matter of Fact: because that Right is an Uni∣versal thing, which is every way Uniform, and all of one sort; whereas, matter of Fact is a thing which is mixed, and as it were enchased with divers particular Circumstances, which may very easily escape the know∣ledge of, or at least be not so rightly understood by, the most clear and piercing Wits. Now, the condition of the Churches Belief, in every particular Age, is matter of Fact,and not of Right; and a Point of History, and not an Article of Faith: So that it followeth hence, that possibly the Fathers may have erred, in giving us an ac∣count hereof; and that therefore their Testimonies, in such Cases, ought not to be received by us, as infallibly True: Neither yet may we be thought hereby to accuse the Fathers of Falshood. For, how often do the ho∣nestest Persons that are, innocently testifie such things as they thought they had seen, which it afterwards appea∣reth that they saw not at all? for Goodness renders not Men infallible. The Fathers therefore, being but Men, might both be deceived themselves in such things, and might consequently also deceive those who have confided in them, though innocently, and without any de∣sign of doing so. 

But besides all this, it is very evident, that they have not been wholly free from Passion neither, and there is no Man but knows, that Passion very often disguiseth things, and maketh them appear, even to the honestest Men that may be, much otherwise than they are; insomuch that sometimes they are affectionately carried away with one Opinion, and do as much abhor another. Which secret Passion might easily make them believe, that the Church held that Opinion, which they themselves were most taken with, and that it rejected that which they themselves disliked; especially, if there were but the least appearance or shadow of Reason to incline them to this Belief: For Men are very easily persuaded to believe what they desire. pg. 208 -209

Chapter 2 The Fathers themselves testify that they are not to believed absolutely in what they declare about matters of religion. 

And thus far have we S. Augustine testifying on our side, (as well here, as in many other places, which would be too long to be inserted here;) that those opinions which we find delivered by the Fathers in their Writings, are grounded, not upon their bare Authority, but upon their Reasons; and, that they bind not our belief otherwise, than so far forth as they are consonant either to the Scripture, or to Reason; and that they ought to be examined by the one, and the other, as proceeding from persons that are not infallible, but possibly may have erred. pg. 220

I might here produce very many the like Passages, but these few shall now serve as a Taste onely: For who seeth not by this time, that these Holy Men took not the Fathers who went before them, for the Judges, or Arbitrators, touching the Opi∣nions of the Church? and that they did not receive their Testimonies and Depositions, as Oracles, but reserved the Right, which S. Augustine alloweth to every Man, of examining them by the Rule of Reason, and of the Scripture. pg. 228

If therefore they would not have those who heard them speak vivâ voce, to believe them in any thing, unless they had demonstrated the Truth of it out of the Scriptures, how much less would they have us now receive, without this Demonstration, those Opinions which we meet with in their Books, which are not onely mute, but corrupted al∣so, and altered so much, and so many several ways, as we have formerly shewed? pg. 232

Chapter 3 The Fathers write in such a hasty and haphazard manner that it is clear thaey are no authorites in the matter of religion.

These Innocent Faults, these Mistakes, these Oversights, these Forgetfulnesses, and these Sportings of theirs, do sufficiently declare for their part, that we are to make our Addresses to some others; and, that they have not so sad∣ly delivered their Opinions, as if they had sate on the Seat of Judgment; but rather have spoken as in their Cham∣ber, venting their own private Opinions only; and not as our Judges. pg. 269

Chapter 4 The Fathers have erred in matter is religion both singly and together.

For, when they shall but see, that the Fathers have erred in divers very considerable Points; I hope they will at length confess, that they had very good Reason, gravely to advise us not to believe, or take upon Trust any of their Opinions, unless we find that they are grounded either upon the Scriptures, or else upon some other Truth. pg. 270

Besides, if these Men have been mistaken in matters of so great Importance; some of them, for Instance, in the Point touching the Nature of God; some, touching the Humanity of our Saviour Christ; others, touching the Quality of our Soul; and some, touching the State and Condition thereof after Death, and touching the Resurrection; why, for Gods sake, must they needs be Infallible, when they speak of the Points now debated amongst us? pg. 312

Forasmuch therefore, as we are not to build upon the Authority of any Author that may justly be accused of Error; it is most evident, that the Authority of the greatest part, and indeed in a manner of all the Fathers, may very well be called in Question: seeing that you will hardly find any one of them that is not liable to this Exception. pg. 317

As Dionysius Alexandrinus, St. Hierome, Gregory Nazian∣zene, and others, conceived not themselves bound to sub∣mit to the Authority of Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Lactantius, Victorinus, Severus, and others; so neither are we any more bound to submit to theirs: For, their Posterity oweth them no more Respect, than they themselves owed to their Ancestors. It seemeth rather, that in Reason they should owe them less, because that look how far distant in time they are from the Apostles, who are as it were the Spring and Original of all Ecclesiastical Authority; so much doth the Credit and Authority of the Doctors of the Church lose and grow less. pg. 321

So that I conceive we may, without troubling our selves any further in making this envious Inquiry into the Errours of the Fathers, conclude from what hath been already produced, that seeing the Fathers have Erred in so many Particulars, not on singly, but also many of them together; Neither the private Opinion of each particular Father, nor yet the unanimous Consent of the Major part of them, is a sufficient Argument certainly to prove the Truth of those Points, which are at this day controverted amongst Us. pg. 326

Chapter 5 The Fathers contradict one another and maintain differing opinions. 

Certainly he that shall but read the Fathers them∣selves, will easily and quickly perceive, that they clash and contradict each other, in most plain and irreconcilable Terms, and that there is no other way of bringing them honestly together, but by receiving every one of them, with his own private Opinions; imitating here∣in the marvellous Wisdom of the Council of Constantinople in Trullo; which receiveth and alloweth of all in gross, without distinction, both the Canons of the Apostles, and the whole Code of the Church Universal, together with those of Sardica, Carthage, and Laodicea; amongst which notwithstanding there are found strong Contradictions. pg. 336

For as much therefore as we many times meet with Contrariety of Judgment, as well in their Expositions of the Scriptures, as in their Opinions, we may safely conclude, that they are not of sufficient Authority to be admitted as the Supreme Judges of our Controversies: that Contradiction, which is often found amongst them, evidently shewing, that they are not Infallible Judges, such as it is requisite that they should be, for the making good of all those Points, which are at this day maintained by the Church of Rome against the Protestants. pg. 340
Chapter 6 Neither the Church of Rome nor the Protestants accept the Fathers as authorities because they pick and choose what they will from them. 

As for our Protestants of France, whom their Adversaries would fain perswade, if they could, to receive the Fathers for Judges in Religion; and to whom consequently they ought not, according to the Laws of a legitimate Disputation, to alledge for the proof of any Point in debate, any other Principles, than what they do allow of; it is evident, that they attribute to the Fathers nothing less, than such an Authority. For, in the Confessing of Faith they declare, in the very beginning of it, That they hold the Scriptures to be the Rule of their Faith and as for all other Ecclesiastical Writings, although they account them to be useful, yet nevertheless do they not conceive, that a man may safely build any Article of Faith upon them. pg. 342

We need not bring in here any more Examples: do but read their (Roman Catholic) Commentaries, their Disputations, and their other Discourses, and you will find them almost in every page, either rejecting, or correcting the Fathers. pg. 356

Conclusion what use are the Fathers?

And thus you see, that the Authority of the Fathers is of very great Use in the Church, and serveth as an Outwork to the Scriptures, for the repelling the Presumption of those, who would forge a New Faith. But forasmuch as those, who broach New Doctrines of their own Head, do Ordinarily slight the Holy Scriptures; as those very Hereticks did, whom Iraeneus confuted; who impudently accused Them of not being Right; and that they are of no Authority; and speak in very Ambiguous Terms; and that they are not able to inform a man of the Truth, unless they are acquainted with Tradition; the Truth having been delivered (as These men pretended) not in Writing, but by Word of Mouth: For this Reason, I say, and for other the like, are the Writings of the Fathers of very great Use in these Disputes; and I conceive This to be one of the Principal ends for which the Divine Providence hath, in despite of So many Confusions, and Changes, preserved so many of them safe, down to our times. pg. 410 - 411

My Opinion therefore is, That although the Authority of the Fathers be not sufficient to prove the Truth of those Articles which are now maintained by the Church of Rome against the Protestants, although the Ancients should perhaps have believed the same; it may notwithstanding serve to prove the Falseness of them, in case that we should find by the Fathers, that the Ancients were either wholly ignorant of them, or at least acknowledged them not for such, as they would now have us believe them to be: which is a Business that so nearly concerns the Protestants, as that to be able to bring about their Design, I conceive they ought to employ a good part of their time in reading over the Books of the Ancients. pg. 414

According to Daille the right use of the Fathers consists in using them to determine what is false and new. But if the Fathers don't have any authority to determine what is positive then why should be trust them to be able to tell us what is false?

Throughout the book Daille talks out of one side of his mouth denouncing the authority of the Fathers while out of the other side he praises their learning and brilliance. However, one of his arguments against the Fathers is their many errors. Reading this book one cannot escape the utter disdain Daille has for the Fathers. If we were to take his advise to heart then not only are the Fathers totally worthless but we can never even know exactly what they taught!

Daille appeals to Scripture as our final authority in all matters of religion but he does not discuss the problems that entails. Who has the authority to interpret Scripture? But that is a problem outside the narrow scope of this book. Volume 2 of Richard Muller's Post Reformation Reformed Dogmatics should fill that gap.