Wednesday 27 March 2024

Jay Dyer Continues to Lie About Sola Scriptura - Claims Protestants Believe the Bible is God!!

Jay Dyer is an ex-Protestant turned Roman Catholic turned Eastern Orthodox. He knows the traditions of all three major branches of the Church. (No, I am not advocating the branch theory here.) Yet for some reason he continues to lie about Sola Scriptura and how Protestants view the Bible saying their doctrine leads to making the Bible God. Let's listen.


Bless God / Ruslan / Gavin Ortlund REFUTED: Sola Scriptura & QNA! -Jay Dyer

47:57 It's just so funny because as you think about this the whole methodology of the Protestant and their whole approach here is literally to make the book God. I mean they actually think that this is God. And that's super duper irony because, number one, it's against their iconoclasm position because if this is God then your God is a creature. And the book is full of images, words. Those are images if you didn't know, they're iconographic. And they're depicting the thing that you say can't be depicted. So, actually you're just a book idolator is all you are even though Jesus said, and he quoted John 10 citing Gavin Ortlund word you know. He cited that where Jesus said "the scriptures cannot be broken." But he also says that You search the scriptures because you think that it is in them that you have eternal life. Oh, but you didn't cite that one did you Ruslan? Did you Gavin? When it is they that bear witness to me.

So, this is like a letter. Imagine mistaking a letter for the person. That's the mistake they're doing here. It's that silly. Right? Somebody writes you a letter about how good of a rapper I am. Now, we all know I'm probably the best. I mean, we all know it's not Lil' AIDS aka Tristana. So, who's left? Me. That's it. Easy equation there. Cancel out the second greatest rapper and you only got one left. So but if somebody writes a big letter explaining how good I am with my vocal bars and skills and you get this letter and you read the letter and you're like "Aww dude I know Jay now. I know all about his freestyle. I know all about his flow cus I read the letter." 

And you're like, "But do you know him?" "Yeah I read the letter, dude." But you don't know me. You read a letter about me. This is how silly it is. 

This video was a livestream and in the comments Rachel Wilson piped up with this ridiculousness:


Rachel Wilson is also a former Protestant of the Dutch Reformed persuasion so she too knows this is a lie yet she says it anyway. Why? Is her book Occult Feminism also this transparently dishonest? 

The short of it is Protestants DO NOT BELIVE THE BIBLE IS GOD. Nor does Sola Scriptura philosophically lead to declaring the Bible is God or worshipping it as an idol. Protestants do not teach the Bible is the Word in exclusion to Jesus Christ. Richard Muller wrote about this issue in the second volume of his Post Reformed Reformed Dogmatics. 

The authority of Scripture rests both on its identity as Word and its inspiration by the Spirit; and, equally so, the unity of the testaments rests both on Christ, who is their scope and foundation, and on the inspiration of the prophets and the apostles by the same Spirit. Scripture is Word because, in its entirety, it rests on the redemptive Word and Wisdom of God finally and fully revealed in Christ. 

Richard Muller is definitely a much needed corrective to Jay and his friend's misconceptions and misrepresentations of the Protestant faith. Having read what appears to be all the primary sources of Reformed theology Muller, in four volumes, deftly weaves together a reassessment of Reformed prolegomena, doctrine of scripture, and doctrine of God and the Trinity that upsets conventional wisdom. 

One of the most important things Muller brings up in his magnum opus is the continuity between the Reformed and the medievals. Anyone who has read medieval and Reformed theology would recognize the similarities they share in the doctrine of God and even predestination. The book "Luther: Right or Wrong" has as it's thesis that Luther's "Bondage of the Will" is not at all out of synch with Aquinas. 

Recognizing the continuities between Reformed theology and Medieval and Patristic theology is just as important, if not even more so, as pointing out the discontinuities. 
The early Reformation view of Scripture, for all that it arose in the midst of conflict with the churchly tradition of the later Middle Ages, stands in strong continuity with the issues raised in the theological debates of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries. The late medieval debate over tradition and the late medieval and Renaissance approach to the literal sense of the text of Scripture in its original languages had together raised questions over the relationships between Scripture and churchly theology, between the individual exegete and the text, and between the exegete and established doctrine that looked directly toward the issues and problems addressed by the early Reformers. It is, thus, entirely anachronistic to view the sola scriptura of Luther and his contemporaries as a declaration that all of theology ought to be constructed anew, without reference to the church’s tradition of interpretation, by the lonely exegete confronting the naked text. It is equally anachronistic to assume that Scripture functioned for the Reformers like a set of numbered facts or propositions suitable for use as ready-made solutions to any and all questions capable of arising in the course of human history. Both the language of sola scriptura and the actual use of the text of scripture by the Reformers can be explained only in terms of the questions of authority and interpretation posed by the developments of the late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries. Even so, close study of the actual exegetical results of the Reformers manifests strong interpretive and doctrinal continuities with the exegetical results of the fathers and the medieval doctors.
Elsewhere Jay has acknowledged that the Reformation did not pop out of nowhere but has its roots in the middle ages. It is rather strange then that Jay prefers to focus on discontinuities as if that alone proves his point. 

If anyone can be called a book idolator it would be the Orthodox who parade it around the sanctuary, smoke it with incense, and kiss it. 

https://holytrinity.ia.goarch.org/our-faith/liturgy

Now, there is a lot that could be written about Sola Scriptura but the real question here is why does Jay Dyer continue to lie about Sola Scriptura and Protestantism in general? When discussing Protestantism I have yet to hear Jay discuss the confessions and what Protestants actually believe. But he is quick to cite silly evangelicals and make false philosophical extrapolations like saying Sola Scriptura makes the Bible God. 

One wonders if Jay will ever discuss Protestantism or even Eastern Orthodoxy, he has yet to talk about the Confession of Dositheus, in an honest manner. 

35 comments:

  1. It should be Sola Deus not Sola Scriptura!!! Scripture is not God!!!

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    1. You clearly do not understand the meaning of the 5 Solas. No Protestant believes or teaches, nor does Protestant doctrine lead to believing the Bible is God.

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    2. Sola Deus (God Alone)

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    3. Ok, God alone has given us scripture alone as an infallible rule of faith, which is where we learn that through grace alone we are saved by faith alone in Christ alone, and all of that is to the Glory of God alone.

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    4. The Bible isn’t going to save you

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    5. You clearly are void of understanding and deny the power of the Scriptures which are give by God and are profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

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    6. What’s funny is that I’m hearing this from the anti-law grace only salvation guy. Talk big about what in the scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness and doctrine. Enlighten me what reproof and correction means be it not doctrinal. The Lord is my shepherd so I don’t need the Bible for any of this because I’m not an idolater.

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    7. Read Galatians where Paul tells us the law leads us to Christ and we are now no longer under the law. Oh wait you don't need the Bible which God gave us, which the Holy Spirit inspired, and through which Christ speaks to the Church. Reading the scriptures is idolatry. LOL! That's a new one.

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    8. And what’s the Bible meant to lead us to?! That’s their testimony and I have mine. I don’t rely on other peoples testimonies, even prophets.

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    9. Stop prooftexting

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    10. You are a fool plain and simple. Why are you even commenting here? Even Jesus admitted that eternal life is to be found in the scriptures because they testify of Him. He stood up in the synagogue and read the scriptures. In Luke 24 he went through Moses and the Prophets and explained how they testified of him. To reject the scriptures to to spit on Christ on curse God.

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    11. And you said because they testify of Him. Jesus said that no man can come to the father but except threw Him. Also, that is the only name by which we are saved. What does all this mean to you?! If it was about sacred books we wouldn’t need four of them! God would breathe it and it would be a perfect gospel. It’s not about the books, it’s about the message. Four testimonies are better than one when it comes to this matter. You are an idolater and I will not take that back!

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    12. I comment here because you are my Christian brother and you are lost

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    13. Ridiculous. Reading and studying the Gospels does not make one an idolator. Do you even know Church history? You are not my brother in any sense of the term.

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    14. Reading and studying the Bible isn’t going to save you though. I know church history but I don’t appeal to the great and abominable church fathers like you.

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    15. The "abominable church fathers." Incredible.

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    16. Do you deny the Book of Revelation

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    17. First you say reading and studying the Bible is idolatry and that you need no man's testimony and now you are asking about the Book of Revelation? Can you pick a lane and stay in it?

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    18. But wouldn’t that be relevant to a discussion of what was and wasn’t two thousands years ago church wise?! Tell me a better source!!!

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    19. You have already ruled out the Bible as being idolatry and something you don't need.

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    20. No, I just have a different approach. The Bible shouldn’t have a monopoly over anyone’s faith. You should know the scriptures say to ask God Himself if in any instance you seek wisdom. What is worthy to seek wisdom from God Himself I ask you?!?!?! If the Book of Revelation is where I’m called then I submit!!!

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    21. YOU are condemned by the words of the very book you bash others to force your HERESIES!!! If YOU had any sense then WHERE is your midrash?!?!?! YOUR studies are WEAK!!! If we reach God threw a book then explain ORAL LAW!!! But let me guess… YOU DENY THAT AND BOOK OF REVELATION!!!!!!!!!! I LOOK TO GOD DIRECTLY AND THE BOOK IN QUESTION ADVOCATES SUCH!!!!!!!! THAT SAME BOOK CONDEMNS YOUR GREAT AND ABOMINABLE CHURCH… I SAY THAT AND YOU HATE ME FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    22. Either read your Bible and believe it or throw it in the trash.

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    23. Even atheists read the Bible. Do you have a problem with that?!

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    24. Either read your Bible AND BELIEVE IT or throw it in the trash.

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    25. No! It’s in my scripture cabinet.

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    26. Why’d you delete your comment

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    27. I do not delete comments unless I made a spelling error. I also do not delete anyone anyone else's comments unless it is spam advertising shady websites.

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    28. You repeated “Either read your Bible and believe it or throw it in the trash.” The only difference was capitalization and the date.

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    29. You definitely did! It went down from 26 to 25 so I asked you why you deleted your comment. I still remembered your comment.

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    30. "You repeated “Either read your Bible and believe it or throw it in the trash.” The only difference was capitalization and the date."

      Oh look and that comment is still there. As I said "I do not delete comments unless I made a spelling error. I also do not delete anyone anyone else's comments unless it is spam advertising shady websites."

      Now you are just being dumb. You really don't care about the issues brought up in the article at all.

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    31. Anonymous7 April 2024 at 12:25
      Either read your Bible and believe it or throw it in the trash.


      Anonymous7 April 2024 at 23:49
      Even atheists read the Bible. Do you have a problem with that?!


      Anonymous8 April 2024 at 08:03
      No! It’s in my scripture cabinet.


      Anonymous10 April 2024 at 05:47
      Why’d you delete your comment


      Anonymous10 April 2024 at 11:37
      I do not delete comments unless I made a spelling error. I also do not delete anyone anyone else's comments unless it is spam advertising shady websites.


      Anonymous10 April 2024 at 19:42
      You repeated “Either read your Bible and believe it or throw it in the trash.” The only difference was capitalization and the date.


      Anonymous10 April 2024 at 19:44
      You definitely did! It went down from 26 to 25 so I asked you why you deleted your comment. I still remembered your comment.


      Anonymous10 April 2024 at 22:36
      "You repeated “Either read your Bible and believe it or throw it in the trash.” The only difference was capitalization and the date."

      Oh look and that comment is still there. As I said "I do not delete comments unless I made a spelling error. I also do not delete anyone anyone else's comments unless it is spam advertising shady websites."

      Now you are just being dumb. You really don't care about the issues brought up in the article at all.

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    32. Where’s your comment?!

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    33. I deleted it and REPOSTED IT after correcting the spelling error just like I said and even as you claim to have noticed. You are being obtuse on purpose.

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    34. I just copy and pasted all there is to see. Did I remove this imaginary comment?!

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