Sunday 10 December 2023

Patristic Faith Is Ashamed of the Confession of Dositheus

Is Fr, Dr, Decan Ananias of Patristic Faith ashamed of the Confession of Dositheus? It would seem that way. Fr, John Whiteford published an article on the Patristic Faith website about how to select a good English translation of the Bible. I found that to be odd because the Confession of Dositheus explicitly prohibits the laity from reading the scriptures. So, I posted a comment in that regard and it never got approved. 

https://www.patristicfaith.com/orthodox-christianity/an-orthodox-look-at-english-translations-of-the-bible/

It's really amazing how the Orthodox refuse to discuss the Confession of Dositheus and its absolute prohibition on reading the scriptures by the laity. If you bring it up they will block you and immediately end the discussion.  It is completely disingenuous. Jay Dyer, who is a contributor at Patristic Faith and part of that whole online OrthoBro Pack which includes David Patrick Harry who also cannot handle opposing views, blocked me for the very reason that I asked about it. 

It's odd because Fr. Josiah Trenham in his book Rock and Sand has the Confession of Dositheus at the end as Orthodoxy's official response to Protestantism, specifically Calvinism. That would seem to imply that the Confession of Dositheus is binding and normative to this day. If it is not then it's only an old curiosity like the 2nd canon from II Nicea which says:

Whoever is to be a bishop must know the Psalter by heart

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3819.htm

Is every Bishop in the Church required to know the Psalter by heart in this day and age?

Recently I had a discussion about the Confession of Dositheus with an Orthodox priest on Twitter. Amazingly he was willing to talk about it. But eventually he decided to not continue the conversation. In this article I am going to post that conversation and give a brief analysis.

The conversation started when I posted a response to Fr. Dr. Deacon Ananias' tweet for the article about which English Bible translation to use.

just looking at this reminds me of this: http://orthodoxinfo.com/phronema/review_osb.aspx imagine being orthodox and being against Sola Scriptura and using what is essentially a protestant study bible!


That review was of the original Orthodox Study Bible, which was just the New Testament and Psalms. The current OSB clearly took some of those criticisms to heart. It is not a bad text, though it is not perfect either.

I replied:
It is still fundamentally protestant in its entire scheme. The confession of dositheus forbids the laity from reading the scriptures in the vernacular.

He responded thusly: 

This confession was written in a particular Greek speaking context, and to this day the Greek Orthodox are not big on vernacular translations, because they have the original text of the NT. However, St. John Chrysostom regularly taught that laity should read the Scriptures.
My reply:
I am well aware that Chrysostom exhorts again and again for the laity to read the scriptures. So how is the CoD Orthodox? or maybe Chrysostom was wrong? In Seraphim Rose's bio we read that the Russians don't read the scriptures. Fr Josiah Trenham reprints the CoD in his book.

That makes it appear that the contents of the CoD are binding to this day. There is more than just a prohibition of reading the scriptures in that text so I don't think you can brush it off as if it has a particular context and does not apply to us today.

He replied: 

Just like any historical document, it has to be interpreted in its historical context. You can hardly argue that the Confession of Dositheus forbids the reading of Scripture by the laity, and argue that the Russian Church accepts its authority, when it has never taken it that way
My reply:
So then what authority does the CoD have? Rose's bio shows the CoD in action. The CoD absolutley forbids the reading of scripture by the laity. Yet others ignore it. So what is the use of this confession and the synod of 1628 if everyone ignores it?

He replied: 


The Confession has authority as it has been interpreted for the past several centuries... which is not the way you are suggestion it should be understood.
My reply:
Is there any literature on the Synod of 1628 and its correct interpretation? Any sermons or discourses or anything like that?

I am not aware of any commentaries that have been translated into English, so we have to look to the course of performance... i.e. actual application.
My reply:
Where can we find this application? I have already quoted from Rose's bio where the Russians are not reading the scriptures because they have the liturgy. And there is nothing like an OSB until mass Protestant conversions in the 80s.

His reply: 



You find it in the history of the publication of editions of the Bible, and the active encouragement of the laity to read it. You find it when you read the classic "The Way of a Pilgrim"...

you find it in Dostoyevsky's Novels, such as Crime and Punishment, which ends with a laymen reading the Gospel of John, and you find it in many other texts, such as "Missionary Conversations with Protestant Sectarians." Fr. Seraphim (Rose)'s biography has no great authority.
My reply:
So how do the fictional Dounia and Raskolnikov have more weight for you than the actual situation of Russian Orthodox? I mean this issue of Biblical illiteracy is what prompted Rose on his Great Work and you are dismissing it.
My conversational partner, who I assume is Fr. John Whiteford but could be someone else, did not reply further. 

First, I thank this person for dialoguing. He brings up some interesting points. Despite this confession prohibiting the reading of the scriptures by the laity in the vulgar tongue the Orthodox Church did print vulgar translations. There is also The Way of a Pilgrim where the narrator's only possessions are the clothes on his back and a Bible in his breast pocket.

My worldly goods are a knapsack with some dried bread in it on my back, and in my breast-pocket a Bible. And that is all.

Eventually he acquires a Philokalia. 

But how does that negate the words of the Confession of Dositheus which are rather blunt in denying that Christians are to read the Bible in their vulgar tongue. 

Question 1 
Should the Divine Scriptures be read in the vulgar tongue [common language] by all Christians? 
No. Because all Scripture is divinely-inspired and profitable {cf. 2 Timothy 3:16}, we know, and necessarily so, that without [Scripture] it is impossible to be Orthodox at all. Nevertheless they should not be read by all, but only by those who with fitting research have inquired into the deep things of the Spirit, and who know in what manner the Divine Scriptures ought to be searched, and taught, and finally read. But to those who are not so disciplined, or who cannot distinguish, or who understand only literally, or in any other way contrary to Orthodoxy what is contained in the Scriptures, the Catholic Church, knowing by experience the damage that can cause, forbids them to read [Scripture]. Indeed, it is permitted to every Orthodox to hear the Scriptures, that he may believe with the heart unto righteousness, and confess with the mouth unto salvation {Romans 10:10}. But to read some parts of the Scriptures, and especially of the Old [Testament], is forbidden for these and other similar reasons. For it is the same thing to prohibit undisciplined persons from reading all the Sacred Scriptures, as to require infants to abstain from strong meats. 
Question 2 
Are the Scriptures plain to all Christians that read them? 
If the Divine Scriptures were plain to all Christians that read them, the Lord would not have commanded such as desired to obtain salvation to search them; {John 5:39} and Paul would have said without reason that God had placed the gift of teaching in the Church; {1 Corinthians 13:28} and Peter would not have said of the Epistles of Paul that they contained some things hard to be understood. {2 Peter 3:16} It is evident, therefore, that the Scriptures are very profound, and their sense lofty; and that they need learned and divine men to search out their true meaning, and a sense that is right, and agreeable to all Scripture, and to its author the Holy Spirit. 
Certainly, those that are regenerated [in Baptism] must know the faith concerning the Trinity, the incarnation of the Son of God, His passion, resurrection, and ascension into the heavens. Yet what concerns regeneration and judgment — for which many have not hesitated to die — it is not necessary, indeed impossible, for them to know what the Holy Spirit has made apparent only to those who are disciplined in wisdom and holiness.
Not only are all Christians forbidden to read the Scriptures but even if they did read them they are unable to grasp their meaning because the Scripture is not plain enough to be understood. How else is one to understand this confession except in its plain sense?  The Pilgrim was not following the dictum laid out in this confession. 

What we see here is a real disconnect and contradiction between Orthodox doctrine and praxis. The Confession of Dositheus forbids the laity to read the Scriptures yet in the The Way of the Pilgrim as well as Crime and Punishment laymen were reading and even understanding the Scriptures. Though both works are fiction they each reflect real life. Now there is even an Orthodox Study Bible which, despite its thoroughly Protestant pedigree from publisher to New Testament translation, has not been condemned by the Orthodox hierarchy. 

As it is I believe this confession is an embarrassing stain on Orthodoxy and rightly so with its unambiguous statement forbidding laymen to read the Bible. There is no getting around that. Yet the history of the Orthodoxy shows that this prohibition is something that was never put into practice. What then is the value of this document for us today? What value was it for people 400 years ago? Was it ever enforced? What is the exact and proper interpretation of the Confession of Dositheus? Father Josiah Trenham includes this confession in his book Rock and Sand as being the Orthodox response to Protestantism. Does he really believe his parishioners should not read the scriptures? 

Orthodox are reluctant to discuss the Confession of Dositheus or that there is a lack of literature on the subject. Perhaps one day this issue can be finally resolved. Until then there is no reason to think otherwise that the Orthodox Church forbids the laity from reading the Bible. 

Tuesday 21 November 2023

David Patrick Harry of Church of the Eternal Logos Hates the Scriptures

In a previous article I wrote that I was tired of David Patrick Harry, also known as Church of the Eternal Logos, because he misrepresents Orthodoxy and Christianity in general as a sober acid trip. However, I still listen to him because he discusses interesting topics and it is a good way to keep tabs on the Orthobro sphere. 

In one livestream open call-in show the topic was Yuval Noah Harari's desire to rewrite the Bible using A.I. and ways to fight the World Economic Forum. One caller said the best way is to know the Scriptures. David Patrick Harry was having none of it. I am going to reprint the entire conversation below which shows definitively that David Patrick Harry has no love for the scriptures. 

Open Panel: WEF Wants to Ban and Rewrite the Bible With A.I.

1:02:10 Matt: Hey can I, um, jump in yeah? 

DPH: What's up Matt?

Matt: Yeah you know this is, um, I just thought I'd mention about the whole Bible thing and this is why I have I, I you know I have an issue. I like watching Orthodox content but this is why I feel like you gotta be masters of the Bible, you know? I feel like the Orthodox, Catholic you know these Traditions kind of get in the way of of the pure...

DPH: This is dumb, okay. Matt come on who put the Bible together? Bro, like what are you talking about the pure Bible like who's interpretation?

Matt: Well, that's why you know in biblical hermeneutics we use something called, um, you know scripture interpreting scripture we never want to go outside of the scriptures. 

DPH: Come on man, name a Protestant Nation that's still Protestant.

Matt: Technically America is supposed to be.

DPH: No. You're, you think America is mostly Christian based on its values?

Matt: Uh, it's definitely being warred against but specifically 

DPH: Yeah, because protestantism is no Force against magic, bro. That's why if somebody's possessed they're not going to a, you know, Jim Bob at his Baptist Church. They're going to a priest because 

Matt: I see a lot of demons being cast out on Tik Tok and other things and live streams and but, but that's kind of besides the point I wanted to get to, okay. Because how are we gonna argue you know, you know, um, don't change the Bible, AI all these different things when the Bible itself gives us the tools and, um, uh, the weapons to fight against these ideologies if you don't know the Bible ,if you can't quote more than just the Bible? 

DPH: It's more than just the Bible man it's the sacraments of the church. It's the Eucharist, it's, it's, it's marriage within the church, it's all the sacraments.

Matt: Well, yeah you know me too 

DPH: You're like out, again you're an atomized individual like fending off demons if you're only defense is the Bible. You're not part of a real community that is, again, protected by the body of Christ. 

Matt: Well I wouldn't say it that way because what happened when when Christ died on the cross? What happened to the veil in the temple?

DPH: What does that have to do with protestantism?

Matt: Because you no longer have to go through a mediator you go straight straight to God through this 

DPH: Yeah the church that he ordained exactly. The church you're right. 

Ivan : God is the mediator that's why he incarnated that's the, that's why we're not gnostics. Like if you if you want to say that, uh, you don't need a mediator then why should God become incarnate man? 

Matt: He came incarnate to save the world and this is what I was getting at 

Ivan: What does that mean there is no sacramentality?

DPH Yeah what does that mean? We just make a proclamation of faith is what I guess it means, right?

Matt: Well Romans 10:9 says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and you believe that God raises..

DPH: Does revelation talk about Saints, Matt? Are there Saints in Protestantism? Well, what's the role, what's the role of incense in scripture both New and Old Testament?

Matt: Well, in the New Testament there's no rules given for incense so therefore 

DPH : It speaks specifically in the Book of Revelation. What's it say there? The incense is what?

Matt: It represents the prayer of the Saints so it's actually the prayer of the saints that is the answer.

DPH: Where's your saints bro? Where's your Saints? What are...you're in the wrong Church man? 

Matt: No, no, no in Protestant theology everyone who's Christian is a saint.

DPH: Oh, come on bro 

Matt: I mean come on guys let's let's keep it, you know.  

Ivan: Okay, it's okay, it's okay, We, we don't wanna, we don't wanna... 

DPH: Yeah, we don't need to get into this but, but you came on... 

Matt: No, I just want to bring this up to you uh, uh David that in the Scripture it says all scripture is profitable for Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction of righteousness that the man of God may be perfect thoroughly furnished for every good work. So, knowing the scripture will give you the tools will give you the lifestyle will give you the ability...

DPH: So, people who don't know scripture are damned? They're doomed?

Matt: They certainly are not in a good position. 

DPH: So when people are born with Down Syndrome they're they're unfortunately uh they're doomed... 

Matt: No, no of course not. 

DPH: ...because they can't they can't understand scripture the same way? 

Matt: No, that's why the gospel is so simple that's the point I was getting at earlier 

DPH: What if they can't what if they can't even understand the simpleness of that? 

Matt: Of the Gospel? First Corinthians 15 1-4.

DPH: Yeah, I'm talking about somebody who's mentally, mentally impaired. Again the point is your whole thing's focused on rationalism and you're po, you're in a post, it's, it's, it's, theology man. It's an Enlightenment Theology and unfortunately that's why, that's why it's so dead. Like it's dying all over the world. 

Matt: Well, according to Scripture what is the sword...

DPH: Except Korea. South Korea is quite, uh, quite growing in their in their Protestant Faith but that's because Christianity is so new there. 

Matt: Well well according to the Scripture what is the sword of the spirit? What is our weapon? It's the scripture. It's not philosophy. It's not you know it's tradition

Ivan: It's the Holy Spirit, man.

Matt: It's not, it's not sacraments. No, it says the the Word of God is is the sword of the spirit. We have to know the word of God.

DPH: Okay but you don't even have all the books in your Bible. You, you got an Orthodox Bible? How many books you got in your Bible?

Matt: Do you have a King James Bible?

DPH: How many books do you got in your Bible?

Matt: Um, 66 I believe. 

DPH: Right

Matt: So what? 

DPH: I got 78. 

Matt: Well, yeah this this is what I was getting at with the whole...

DPH: Okay who put who put the Bible together? Was it, was it John Calvin? 

Matt: It's a, it's a Divine artifact. This is what I was talking to..

DPH: So who, who led those people, what led those people to make the right decision?

Matt: It wasn't, it wasn't a decision that that's my point. 

DPH: It was. It was a council, synodal Council, led by the Holy Spirit which can convince, sixty percent of them were Aryans. Saint Athanasius, who's part of our church, was emphatic about the Incarnation of God being fully Divine, fully man and that's his rhetorical, uh, presentation of that at the First Council is why that became Dogma. 

Matt: We, we wouldn't say so. We'd say the scriptures are very clear about...

DPH: Who's we? You can't represent all of Protestantism because you guys are all fractured. Who's we ?Your Church?

Matt: Anyone who affirms the five solos.

DPH: Yeah are those in Scripture?

Matt: Yes.

DPH: Sola scripture is in scripture?

Matt: Yeah.

DPH: No. I know you interpret it that way.

Matt: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, etc.

DPH: This is off topic bro. This is off topic. We're talking about the World Economic Forum and you want to come in here promoting Protestantism against Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

Matt: No, but what I was trying to encourage us to do as Christians is to know the Scripture that way we're not fooled by these different things and we can...

Ivan: First you have to be a Christian for that and I wouldn't say that you are from that point of view. I'd say you're a modernist. Like, your version of Truth is like a speech it's like a text that doesn't reflect reality. So, you deny mediation. Why does the Bible about mediation? The books themselves their mediation. So, how how do you deny mediation?

Matt: Well, let me just ask this one question: Is the Bible sufficient to make the man of God perfect thoroughly equipped for every good work yes or no?

DPH: No. 

Ivan: No.

Matt: Well, but it says in the Bible it is. 

Ivan: Where? 

DPH: Wait, yeah, hold on this is totally off track Matt. I'm about to, uh, this isn't the point of this open Panel and nobody here is going to get into your Protestant BS, bro. Like, it's it's futile. It's, it's not,. it's not a defense against the evil present in this world. It's a, it's dying and Orthodoxy, I mean this we're explicit, Orthodoxy is the Church. That's the historical church. Anybody who studied church history knows that. If you're into, um, the idea that the church and faith has evolved and that somehow they finally got it with the five Solas then that's fine I'm not here to convince you but this isn't about protestantism versus the actual sacramental forms of Christianity that actually have a historical validity back to the apostles.

Matt: All right, well that's fair. You know what next time you have an Open Panel maybe you can open up for these discussions I think these are very important but I just want to encourage 

DPH: We can. That's not a bad idea, that's not a bad idea. I can do that in the future and I and I'd be more than welcome for you to come on and we can then hash that out, uh, but this one is specifically focused on on, on the globalists and its relationship the, the forces that we face in its relationship to tradition and Orthodoxy, the Bible, scripture, um, all that so...

Matt: And, and that's my final point...

DPH: You're more than welcome to stay but let's just change the focus from promoting Protestantism to actually the threat to the world.

Matt: No, and you know what I'll leave with that but that was my final point is that the only firm tradition the only Firm Foundation we have is the scriptures. Everything else is futile 

DPH: No, the church, it's the church that gave you the scriptures, Bro. You've totally missed missed the beginning point. It's the Apostles, it's Christ, it's the apostles and it's the church that they founded read the Epistles.

Matt: Yeah that's fair and, uh, hey thank you for letting me on and next time you have an open panel on solo scripture or Protestantism I'd love to come back.

DPH: Yeah I will thank you Matt and I appreciate you being respectful brother.

Matt: Alrighty brother God bless 

DPH: God bless you 

David: God bless.

This conversation is absolutely ridiculous and David Patrick Harry simply does not get it. The subject of the video is about the WEF rewriting the Bible using A.I. Matt calls in and says the way to not be fooled by all this is to know the scriptures because they are sufficient to thoroughly equip a man for every good work. 


But DPH and Ivan both say this is wrong. The Scriptures are not sufficient, thus contradicting the very words of Scripture. Let's hear what John Chrysostom has to say about these verses.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. [R.V.: Every Scripture inspired of God is also profitable, etc.]

Having offered much exhortation and consolation from other sources, he adds that which is more perfect, derived from the Scriptures; and he is reasonably full in offering consolation, because he has a great and sad thing to say. For if Elisha, ho was with his master to his last breath, when he saw him departing as it were in death, rent his garments for grief, what think you must this disciple suffer, so loving and so beloved, upon hearing that his master was about to die, and that he could not enjoy his company when he was near his death, which is above all things apt to be distressing? For we are less grateful for the past time, when we have been deprived of the more recent intercourse of those who are departed. For this reason when he had previously offered much consolation, he then discourses concerning his own death: and this in no ordinary way, but in words adapted to comfort him and fill him with joy; so as to have it considered as a sacrifice rather than a death; a migration, as in fact it was, and a removal to a better state. For I am now ready to be offered up 2 Timothy 4:6, he says. For this reason he writes: All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. All what Scripture? All that sacred writing, he means, of which I was speaking. This is said of what he was discoursing of; about which he said, From a child you have known the holy Scriptures. All such, then, is given by inspiration of God; therefore, he means, do not doubt; and it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

For doctrine. For thence we shall know, whether we ought to learn or to be ignorant of anything. And thence we may disprove what is false, thence we may be corrected and brought to a right mind, may be comforted and consoled, and if anything is deficient, we may have it added to us.

That the man of God may be perfect. For this is the exhortation of the Scripture given, that the man of God may be rendered perfect by it; without this therefore he cannot be perfect. You have the Scriptures, he says, in place of me. If you would learn anything, you may learn it from them. And if he thus wrote to Timothy, who was filled with the Spirit, how much more to us!

Thoroughly furnished unto all good works; not merely taking part in them, he means, but thoroughly furnished.

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/230709.htm

What a stark contrast between David Patrick Harry, Ivan, and Chrysostom! 

One would think that Christians of all stripes would agree that knowing the Scriptures is very important. But David Patrick Harry is a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church and they do not put a high value on Scripture. In fact the official, canonical Orthodox document The Confession of Dositheus forbids all laymen from reading the Bible and is quite explicit that the Bible cannot even be properly understood because it is not clear in its teaching which means it is impossible for the common man to grasp.

Question 1 
Should the Divine Scriptures be read in the vulgar tongue [common language] by all Christians? 
No. Because all Scripture is divinely-inspired and profitable {cf. 2 Timothy 3:16}, we know, and necessarily so, that without [Scripture] it is impossible to be Orthodox at all. Nevertheless they should not be read by all, but only by those who with fitting research have inquired into the deep things of the Spirit, and who know in what manner the Divine Scriptures ought to be searched, and taught, and finally read. But to those who are not so disciplined, or who cannot distinguish, or who understand only literally, or in any other way contrary to Orthodoxy what is contained in the Scriptures, the Catholic Church, knowing by experience the damage that can cause, forbids them to read [Scripture]. Indeed, it is permitted to every Orthodox to hear the Scriptures, that he may believe with the heart unto righteousness, and confess with the mouth unto salvation {Romans 10:10}. But to read some parts of the Scriptures, and especially of the Old [Testament], is forbidden for these and other similar reasons. For it is the same thing to prohibit undisciplined persons from reading all the Sacred Scriptures, as to require infants to abstain from strong meats. 
Question 2 
Are the Scriptures plain to all Christians that read them? 
If the Divine Scriptures were plain to all Christians that read them, the Lord would not have commanded such as desired to obtain salvation to search them; {John 5:39} and Paul would have said without reason that God had placed the gift of teaching in the Church; {1 Corinthians 13:28} and Peter would not have said of the Epistles of Paul that they contained some things hard to be understood. {2 Peter 3:16} It is evident, therefore, that the Scriptures are very profound, and their sense lofty; and that they need learned and divine men to search out their true meaning, and a sense that is right, and agreeable to all Scripture, and to its author the Holy Spirit. 
Certainly, those that are regenerated [in Baptism] must know the faith concerning the Trinity, the incarnation of the Son of God, His passion, resurrection, and ascension into the heavens. Yet what concerns regeneration and judgment — for which many have not hesitated to die — it is not necessary, indeed impossible, for them to know what the Holy Spirit has made apparent only to those who are disciplined in wisdom and holiness.

What makes this all the more ironic is that later in the stream a caller wants to "challenge some verses from the Bible" and David Patrick Harry refers him to the Orthodox Study Bible.

1:22:06 DPH: What's up Truth Finder? How you doing brother? 

Truth Finder: Uh, what's going on? Hey I just wanted to challenge some verses in the Bible 

DPH: Okay, you want to challenge some verses? 

Truth Finder: Yeah. 

DPH: No, that's not that's not what this is about, bro.

Truth Finder: Yeah, yeah well I want to know, I want I don't want to challenge it, I want to know the meaning of this verse. Can I tell you? 

DPH: I mean... 

Truth Finder: It's not a challenge I just want to know the meaning of it 

DPH: Okay go get an Orthodox Study Bible and go look at the footnotes there you go. 

Truth Finder: Well, yeah.  

DPH: Go get an Orthodox Study Bible and look at the footnotes for that verse 

Truth Finder: Okay 

DPH: Go to your local Orthodox, go to your local Orthodox Church.

Is he unaware that the Orthodox Study Bible is the product of Protestants who converted to Orthodoxy? Specifically it is the project of Peter Gillquist.  The translation of the New Testament in the OSB is the very Protestant New King James Version! The whole idea of a study Bible comes straight out of Calvin's Geneva where English refugees translated the Bible and added notes. The Geneva Bible is the world's first study Bible. 

Let's take a look at one of the footnotes in the Orthodox Study Bible. This is a commentary on 2nd Ezra 5:1-17 and is found on page 542.

The appeal to search the king's treasure house to find the king's decree parallels the Church's readiness to search the Scriptures (Jn 5:39; Acts 17:11). Appealing to the Scriptures is how Jesus and His apostles demonstrated His genuine claim to be the Christ, the incarnate Son of God (Lk 24:27; Acts 17:2, 11; 18:28). Interestingly, the appeal to the Scriptures was also one of the ways Jesus' enemies tried to malign Him (Mt 4:6; Jn 7:52). In both cases, the reliability and authority of what has been written, accepted, and handed down as Holy Scripture is unquestioned.

"The reliability and authority of what has been written, accepted, and handed down as Holy Scripture is unquestioned." Does David Patrick Harry know about this footnote? 

It's sad that David Patrick Harry is having a discussion about the WEF wanting to rewrite the Bible and he rejects the idea that Christians should actually know the Bible. However, when understood that ignorance and dismissal of the Scriptures is the fruit of Eastern Orthodoxy it all makes sense.  

Thursday 24 August 2023

Sola Scriptura in Justin Martyr's Dialogue With Trypho

Justin Martyr's Dialogue With Trypho is a very important and wonderful work of apologetics. The same arguments used by Justin to convince the Jew Trypho of the truth of the Christian faith are used even today. 

The one abiding principle employed by Justin is using the Scriptures alone to make his case. Trypho says he would not have listened to Justin had it been otherwise. 

And Trypho said, "Prove this; for, as you see, the day advances, and we are not prepared for such perilous replies; since never yet have we heard any man investigating, or searching into, or proving these matters; nor would we have tolerated your conversation, had you not referred everything to the Scriptures: for you are very zealous in adducing proofs from them; and you are of opinion that there is no God above the Maker of all things."

Dialogue chapter 56

The Scriptures alone are the source of our faith. That is not just the testimony of men like Irenaus who calls scripture the ground and pillar of our faith:

We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith 
Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.1.1 

But it is also the method of Justin Martyr in his dealings with Trypho. Where did he get this method except from the tradition taught to him? Does that sound contradictory? It is not. The tradition of the Church is the use of scripture as the source of our knowledge of and about God. The Scriptures are, as the Reformed labeled them, our Principium Cognoscendi.

The logical priority of Scripture over all other means of religious knowing in the church—tradition, present-day corporate or official doctrine, and individual insight or illumination—lies at the heart of the teaching of the Reformation and of its great confessional documents. Indeed, it is the unanimous declaration of the Protestant confessions that Scripture is the sole authoritative norm of saving knowledge of God. The Reformed confessions, moreover, tend to manifest this priority and normative character by placing it first in the order of confession, as the explicit ground and foundation of all that follows.
The more systematically ordered Reformed confessions, the First and Second Helvetic, the Gallican, the Belgic, juxtapose the doctrine of God with the doctrine of Scripture—a pattern followed in the seventeenth century by the Irish Articles and the Westminster Confession. This confessional pattern holds considerable significance for the development of Reformed theology, since it provides the basic form of the orthodox theological system: the confessions present the cognitive foundation or principium cognoscendi of revealed theology, the Holy Scriptures, and, based upon Scripture, the essential foundation or principium essendi of all theology, which is to say, God himself. Without the former, theology could not know the truth of God—without the latter, there could be no theology, indeed, no revelation. The movement of faith from one principium to the other is noted explicitly by the Belgic Confession: “According to this truth and this Word of God, we believe in one only God who is one single essence, in whom there are three persons, really, truly and eternally distinguished according to their incommunicable properties, namely, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.” Thus, Scripture leads us to the consideration of the unity and trinity of God, specifically of the essential unity and personal trinity of God.

It is simply amazing that the Orthodox and Catholics have take issue with what is so plain a matter. The scriptures were given to us by God so that we might know Him. 

Sunday 11 June 2023

Jean Daille on the Right Use of the Fathers

Jean Daille was a 16th century French protestant clergyman who wrote an important treatise on the right use of the Church Fathers. 

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A35787.0001.001?view=toc

In essence Daille argued that the Fathers are no competent judges in the controversies facing the Church in the sixteenth century. Those controversies are:

...the doctrines of transubstantiation, and the adoration of the eucharist, or the monarchy of the Pope, or the necessity of auricular confession, or the worshipping of images, and similar points, which are those of the present controversies, and which none of the ancients have treated expressly and by design, or perhaps ever so much thought of? pg. 34

I am going to sum up each chapter of this book and supply a relevant passage or two to illustrate that summary.

BOOK ONE

Chapter 1: We have very little of the Father's writing from the first three centuries. These centuries are the most important because nearer to the time of the Apostles and thus purer.

The first Reason, therefore, which I shall lay down for the proving of this Difficulty, is, The little we have ex∣tant of the Writings of the Ancient Fathers, especially of the First, Second, and Third Centuries; which are those we are most especially to regard. For, seeing that one of the principal Reasons that moveth the Church of Rome to alledge the Writings of the Fathers, is to shew the Truth of their Tenets, by the Antiquity, which they reckon as a Mark of it; it is most evident, that the most Ancient ought to be the most taken notice of. And in∣deed, there is no question to be made, but that the Christian Religion was more pure, and without mixture, in its beginnings and Infancy, than it was afterwards, in its Growth and Progress: it being the ordinary course of Things, to contract Corruptions, more or less, according as they are more or less removed from their first Institu∣tion: As we see by experience in States, Laws, Arts, and Languages; the Natural Propriety of all which is con∣tinually declining, after they have once passed the Point of their Vigour, and, as it were, the Flower and Prime of their Strength and Perfection. pg. 26

Chapter 2: The writings of the Fathers from the first centuries treat of far different matters than those of the present controversies.

But suppose that neither the want of Books in the Three First Centuries, nor yet the abundance of them in the Three following, should bring along with it these inconveniences; it will however be very hard to discover out of them, what the Opinion of their Authors hath been, touching those Points of Christian Religion now controverted. For the Matters whereof They treat, are of a very different nature; these Authors, according as the necessity of their times required, employing them∣selves either in justifying the Christian Religion, and vindicating it from the aspersion of such Crimes wherewith it was most falsely and injuriously charged; or else in laying open to the World the Absurdity and Im∣piety of Paganism; or in convincing the hard-hearted Jews; or in confuting the prodigious Fooleries of the Hereticks of those times; or in exhortations to the Faithful to Patience and Martyrdom; or in expounding some certain Passages and Portions of the Holy Scripture: all which things have very little to do with the Controversies of these times, of which they never speak a Syllable, unless they accidentally or by chance let a Word drop from them, toward this side, or that side, yet without the least thought of us, or of our Controversies; although both the one and the other Party sometimes lights upon Passages, wherein they conceive they have discovered their own Opinions clearly delivered, though in vain for the most part, and without ground: just as he did, that hearing a Ring of Bells, thought they perfectly sounded out unto him, what he in his own thoughts had fancied. pg. 32-33

Chapter 3: The writings of the Fathers are filled with forgeries and it is too hard to them out. And being that that task is very difficult how much more difficult can it be to find out their opinions.

And thus we see what confusion there is in the Books of the Ancients, and what defect in the Means which is requisite for the distinguishing the False from the True: insomuch that, as it often falls out, it is much easier to judge what we ought to reject, than to resolve upon what we may safely receive. Let the Reader therefore now judge, whether or no these Writings having come down along through so many Ages, and passed through so many Hands, which are either known to have been notoriously guilty, or at least strongly suspected of Forgery, the Truth in the mean time having made on its part but very weak resistance against these Impostures; it be not a very hard matter to discover, amidst the infinite number of Books that are now extant, and go under the Names of the Fathers, which are those that truly belong to them; and which again are those that are falsely imposed upon them. And if it be so hard a matter to discover in gross only which are the Writings of the Fathers; how much more difficult a Business will it be to find out what their Opinions are touching the several Controversies now in agitation. pg. 59 -60

Chapter 4: The legitimate writings of the Fathers are filled with the errors of scribes some of which are malicious interpolations.

But, put the case now here, that you had by your long and judicious Endeavours severed the True and Genuine Writings of the Fathers, from the Spurious and Forged: there would yet lie upon you a second Task, whose event is like to prove much more doubtful, and fuller of difficulty than the former. For it would con∣cern you in the next place, in reading over those Authors which you acknowledge for Legitimate, to distinguish what is the Author's own, and what hath been foisted in by another Hand; and also to restore to your Author, whatsoever either by Time or Fraud hath been taken away; and to take out of him whatsoever hath been added by either of these two. Otherwise you will never be able to assure your self, that you have discovered out of these Books, what the true and proper meaning and sense of your Author hath been; considering the great Alterations that by several ways they may have suffered, in several Times. pg. 61

Chapter 5: The writings of the Fathers are difficult to understand because of their idioms, languages, and rhetorical flourishes. 

Now I do not know, why a Man may not, with as much reason, say of the most of the Writings of the Fathers, as Jerome did of some certain Expositors of some parts of the Scriptures, That it was more trouble to understand Them well than those very things which they took upon them to expound: that is to say, That it is much harder rightly to understand Them, than the Scriptures themselves. For, that a Man may be able fully to understand them, it is in the first place necessary, that he have perfect and exact skill in those Languages wherein they wrote; that is to say, in the Greek,and Latin, which are the Tongues that most of them wrote in. pg. 102

Chapter 6 The Fathers frequently conceal their own opinions and say things do they not believe.  

Let any rational Man therefore now judge, whether or no this course must not necessarily embroil, and inwrap in a world of almost inexplicable Difficulties, the Writings of the Fathers. For, how is it possible that we should be able to judge, when they speak as they thought, and when not? Whether they mean really what they say, or whether they make but a flourish only? Whether the Bread which they shew us, be to deceive, or to feed us? Whether the Problems they propose be solid, or slippery ones? Whether their Positions be Dogmatical, or Oeconomical? pg. 154

Chapter 7 The Fathers changed their opinions as they aged. 

Amongst all the Ecclesiastical Writers, the Pen men of the Old and New Testament only have received the knowledge of Divine things by an extraordinary Inspiration: the rest have acquired their knowledge by the ordinary means of Instruction, Reading, and Meditation; in such sort, as that this Knowledge came not unto them in an instant, as it did to the others; but increased in them by degrees, ripening and growing up by little and little, in proportion as they grew in years: whence it is, that their Writings are not all of them of the same weight, nor of the same Value. pg. 156

And when all is done, who knoweth not, that there are some Trees that bear their Summer-fruit even in the very beginning of the Summer, when as the Spring-time is yet hardly past? And again, the Fruits which are gathe∣red at the end of the Later Season, are not always the ripest: for Time, in stead of ripening, many times rotteth them. In like manner is it also with Men, and consequent∣ly with the Fathers. Sometimes their Summer yieldeth much more, and better Fruit than their Autumn. For, as for the Winter, that is to say, the last part of our Age, it is evident that it usually brings forth nothing at all, or if it do chance to force it self beyond Nature, the Fruits it bringeth forth are yet worse, and more crude and imperfect, than those even of the Spring. 

Seeing therefore it is for the most part impossible to give any certain judgment of these things, either by the History of these Authors, or by their Books themselves; and that again on the other side, without this we ought not to sit down upon any thing we find in their Writings, as reckoning we have made a discovery what their Opinions have been: we may safely conclude in this Point also, as we have done in the former, That it is a very hard matter to know truly and precisely what the Opinions and Sense of the Ancients have been, touching the Differences at this day debated amongst us. pg. 161- 162


Chapter 8 It is difficult to discern if the opinions of the Fathers were necessary and absolutely true or true yet only probably and contingently so. 

Now according to this diversity of Degrees, the Belief or Ignorance of these two Propositions are also of very different importance. The first of them we may not be ignorant of, and much less deny, without renoun∣cing Christianity. The second we may be ignorant of, and even deny too, as supposing it false, yet without any great danger. To be able therefore to come to a clear and perfect understanding, what was the Sense of the Fathers touching the Points of Religion at this day controverted amongst Us, it is necessary that we should know, not only whether they believed, or not believed them; but also, how they believed, or not believed them: that is to say, whether they held them as Propositions Necessarily, or Probably, either True, or False; and besides, in what Degree either of Necessity, or Probability they placed them. pg. 163 - 164

The very hope of effecting so weighty a Matter can hardly be excused from the guilt of High Presumption. For, first of all, the Fathers tell us very seldom, in what Degree either of Necessity, or Probability, they held their Opinions: and even when they do tell us, their Expressions being such, as we have observed of them, we ought not presently to conclude any thing from them, without first examining them through∣ly. For, many times, when they would recommend unto us such things, as they accounted profitable for us; they would speak of them, as if they had been Necessary: and so again, to take off our Belief of, and to divert our affections from such things as they conceived either to be simply false, or otherwise unprofitable for us; they re∣presented them as the most detestable and pernicious things that could be. pg. 172 - 173

Chapter 9 We must know the opinions not only of one or two Fathers but the entire Church.

And now see how we are fallen again into new Difficul∣ties. For, whence, and by what means may we learn, whether the whole Church, in the time of Justin Martyr, or of S. Augustine, or of S. Hierome, maintained the same Opinions in every particular, that these Men several∣ly did, or not? pg. 177 

As for example, when Athanasius, S. Ambrose, S. Hierome, S. Augustine, and others, discourse touching the Son of God, they speak nothing but what is conformable to the Belief of the Church in General; because that the Belief of the Church had then been clearly and expressly delivered upon this Point: so that whatsoever they say, as to this Particular, may safely be received, as a Testimony of the Churches Belief. And the like may be done in all the other Points, which have either been positively determined in any of the General Councils, or delivered in any of the Creeds, or that any other way appeareth to have been the pub∣lick Belief of the Church.

If the Fathers had but contain∣ed themselves within these Bounds, and had not taken liberty to treat of any thing, save what the Church had clearly delivered its Judgment upon; this Rule might then have been received as a General one; and, what opinion soever we found in them, we might safely have concluded it to have been the Sense of the Church that was in their time. But the curiosity of Mans Nature, together with the Impudence of the Hereticks, and the Tenderness of Conscience, whether of their own or of others, and divers other Reasons perhaps, having partly made them willingly, and partly forced, and as it were constrained them to go on further, and to proceed to the search of the Truth of several Points, which had not as yet been established by the universal and publick Consent of all Christians, it could not be avoided, but that necessarily they must in these Inquiries make use of their own proper Light, and must deliver upon the same their own private Opinions; which the Church, which came after them, hath since either embraced, or rejected. pg. 178

Chapter 10 If the Fathers did discuss the present controversies it is difficult to tell if such was only their opinion or if it was received by the whole Church. 

But suppose that a Father, relieving us in this difficult, or rather impossible business, should tell us in express terms, that what he proposeth, is the sense and opinion of the Church in his time; yet would not this quite deliver us out of the doubtful condition we are in. For, besides that their words are many times, in such cases as these, liable to exception, suppose that it were certainly and undoubtedly so; yet would it concern us then to examine, what that Church was, whereof he speaketh; whether it were the Church Universal, or only some Particular Church, and whether it were that of the whole World, or that of some City, Province, or Country only. 

Now that this is a matter of no small importance is evident from hence; because that the opinions of the Church Universal in Points of Faith are accounted infallible, and necessarily true: whereas those of Particular Churches are not so, but are confessed to be subject to Errour. So that the Question being here touching the Faith, which ought not to be grounded upon any thing, save what is infallibly true; it will concern us to know, what the judgment of the Church universal hath been; seeing the opinion of no Particular Church can do us any service in this case. pg. 184 - 185

I could here produce divers other Examples; but these may suffice, to shew, that the Opinions and Customs, which have been received in one Part of the Church, have not always been entertained in all the rest. Whence it evidently follows, that all that is acknowledged, as the opinion, or observation of the Church, ought not therefore presently to pass for an Universal Law. pg, 189 

I shall not here enter into an Examination, whether this Answer be well grounded, or not: it is sufficient for me, that I can safely then conclude from hence, that according to this account, before you can make use of any Opinion, or Testimony out of any of the Fathers, it is necessary, that you first make it appear, not only that it was the Opinion of the Church at that time; but you must further also clearly demonstrate unto us what Churches opinion it was; whether of the Church Universal, or else of some Particular Church only. pg. 189 - 190

Chapter 11 It is impossible to know the belief of the ancient Church whether universal our particular as to the points of controversy in these days. 

Before we pass on to the Second Part of this Treatise, it seemeth not impertinent to give the Reader this Last Advertisement, and to let him know, that though all these Difficulties here before represented were removed, yet notwithstanding would it still be impossible for us to know certainly, out of the Fathers, what the Judgment of the whole Ancient Church, whether you mean the Church Universal, or but any considerable Part thereof, hath been, touching the Differences which are now on foot in Religion. pg. 192 

Now the Fathers having written with a purpose of informing us, not what each particular Man believed in their time, but rather what they thought fit that all Men should have believed; we must needs con∣clude, That certainly they have not told us all that they knew touching this particular. And consequently there∣fore, partly their Charity, and partly also their Prudence, may have caused them to pass by in silence all such Opi∣nions, either of whole Companies, or of particular Per∣sons, as they conceived to be not so consonant to the Truth. But supposing that they had not any of these con∣siderations, and that they had taken upon them to give us a just Account, each Man of the Opinions of his particular Church wherein he lived; it is evident however, that they could never have been able to have attainēd to the end of this their Design. For, how is it possible that they should have been able to have learnt what the Opi∣nion of every single Person was, amongst so vast a Multitude, which consisted of so many several Persons, who were of so different both Capacities and Dispositions?  pg. 194 - 195

CONCLUSION

WE have before shewed how hard a matter it is to discover what the Sense of the Fathers hath been touching the Points at this day controverted in Religion; both by reason of the small number of Books we have left us of the Fathers of the First Centuries; and those too which we have, treating of such things as are of a very different nature from our present Disputes; and which besides we cannot be very well assured of, by reason of the many Forgeries and monstrous Corruptions which they have for so long a time been subject to; as also by reason of their Obscurity, and Ambiguity in their Expressions; and their representing unto us many times the Opinions rather of others, than of their Authors: besides those many other Imperfections which are found in them, as namely, their not informing us in what degree of Faith we are to hold each particular Point of Doctrine; and their leaving us in doubt, whether what they teach be the Judgment of the Church, or their own private Opinion only: and whether, if it be the Judgment of the Church, it be of the Church Universal, or of some Particular Church only. 

Now, the least of these Objections is sufficient to render their Testimony invalid: And again, on the other side, that it may be of force, it is necessary that it be clearly and evidently free from all these Defects; forasmuch as the Question is here, touching the Christian Faith, which ought to be grounded on nothing, save what is sure and firm. Whosoever therefore would make use of any Pas∣sage out of a Father, he is bound first to make it appear, that the Author out of whom he citeth the said Passage, lived, and wrote in the first Ages of Christianity; and besides, that the said Person is certainly known to be the Author of that Book out of which the said Passage is quoted: and moreover, that the Passage cited is sincere, and no way corrupted, nor altered: and likewise, that the Sense which he gives of it, is the true genuine Sense of the Place; and also, that it was the Opinion of the Author, when he was now come to Ripness of Judgment, and which he changed not, or retracted after∣wards. He must also make it appear, in what degree he held it, and whether he maintained it as his own private Opinion onely, or as the Opinion of the Church: and, lastly, whether it were the Opinion of the Church Universal, or of some particular Church only: which Inquiry is a Business of so vast and almost infinite labour, that it makes me very much doubt whether or no we can be ever able to attain to a full and certain assurance what the Real Positive Sense of the Ancients hath been, touch∣ing the whole Body of Controversies now debated in this our Age. Hence therefore our principal Question seems to be decided; namely, Whether the alledging of the Fathers be a sufficient and proper Means for the demonstrating the Truth of all those Articles which are at this day maintained by the Church of Rome, and re∣jected by the Protestants, or not? For who doth not now see, that this kind of proof hath as much or more difficulty in it, than the Question itself? and that such Testimonies are as Obscure, as the Controverted Opinions themselves? pg. 206 - 208

BOOK TWO

Chapter 1 The testimonies of the Fathers on the doctrines of the Church are not always true and certain.

Now, as concerning the Testimonies that they give, touching the Faith held by the Church in their time, I know not whether we ought to receive all they bring, for certain Truths, or not: But this I am sure of, that though they should deserve to be received by us for such, yet nevertheless would they stand us in very little stead, as to the Business now in hand. The Reason which moveth me to doubt of the former of these, is, because I observe, that those very Men who are the greatest Admirers of the Fathers, do yet confess, that although they erre very little, or not at all, in matter of Right, yet nevertheless, they are often out, and have their failings in matter of Fact: because that Right is an Uni∣versal thing, which is every way Uniform, and all of one sort; whereas, matter of Fact is a thing which is mixed, and as it were enchased with divers particular Circumstances, which may very easily escape the know∣ledge of, or at least be not so rightly understood by, the most clear and piercing Wits. Now, the condition of the Churches Belief, in every particular Age, is matter of Fact,and not of Right; and a Point of History, and not an Article of Faith: So that it followeth hence, that possibly the Fathers may have erred, in giving us an ac∣count hereof; and that therefore their Testimonies, in such Cases, ought not to be received by us, as infallibly True: Neither yet may we be thought hereby to accuse the Fathers of Falshood. For, how often do the ho∣nestest Persons that are, innocently testifie such things as they thought they had seen, which it afterwards appea∣reth that they saw not at all? for Goodness renders not Men infallible. The Fathers therefore, being but Men, might both be deceived themselves in such things, and might consequently also deceive those who have confided in them, though innocently, and without any de∣sign of doing so. 

But besides all this, it is very evident, that they have not been wholly free from Passion neither, and there is no Man but knows, that Passion very often disguiseth things, and maketh them appear, even to the honestest Men that may be, much otherwise than they are; insomuch that sometimes they are affectionately carried away with one Opinion, and do as much abhor another. Which secret Passion might easily make them believe, that the Church held that Opinion, which they themselves were most taken with, and that it rejected that which they themselves disliked; especially, if there were but the least appearance or shadow of Reason to incline them to this Belief: For Men are very easily persuaded to believe what they desire. pg. 208 -209

Chapter 2 The Fathers themselves testify that they are not to believed absolutely in what they declare about matters of religion. 

And thus far have we S. Augustine testifying on our side, (as well here, as in many other places, which would be too long to be inserted here;) that those opinions which we find delivered by the Fathers in their Writings, are grounded, not upon their bare Authority, but upon their Reasons; and, that they bind not our belief otherwise, than so far forth as they are consonant either to the Scripture, or to Reason; and that they ought to be examined by the one, and the other, as proceeding from persons that are not infallible, but possibly may have erred. pg. 220

I might here produce very many the like Passages, but these few shall now serve as a Taste onely: For who seeth not by this time, that these Holy Men took not the Fathers who went before them, for the Judges, or Arbitrators, touching the Opi∣nions of the Church? and that they did not receive their Testimonies and Depositions, as Oracles, but reserved the Right, which S. Augustine alloweth to every Man, of examining them by the Rule of Reason, and of the Scripture. pg. 228

If therefore they would not have those who heard them speak vivâ voce, to believe them in any thing, unless they had demonstrated the Truth of it out of the Scriptures, how much less would they have us now receive, without this Demonstration, those Opinions which we meet with in their Books, which are not onely mute, but corrupted al∣so, and altered so much, and so many several ways, as we have formerly shewed? pg. 232

Chapter 3 The Fathers write in such a hasty and haphazard manner that it is clear thaey are no authorites in the matter of religion.

These Innocent Faults, these Mistakes, these Oversights, these Forgetfulnesses, and these Sportings of theirs, do sufficiently declare for their part, that we are to make our Addresses to some others; and, that they have not so sad∣ly delivered their Opinions, as if they had sate on the Seat of Judgment; but rather have spoken as in their Cham∣ber, venting their own private Opinions only; and not as our Judges. pg. 269

Chapter 4 The Fathers have erred in matter is religion both singly and together.

For, when they shall but see, that the Fathers have erred in divers very considerable Points; I hope they will at length confess, that they had very good Reason, gravely to advise us not to believe, or take upon Trust any of their Opinions, unless we find that they are grounded either upon the Scriptures, or else upon some other Truth. pg. 270

Besides, if these Men have been mistaken in matters of so great Importance; some of them, for Instance, in the Point touching the Nature of God; some, touching the Humanity of our Saviour Christ; others, touching the Quality of our Soul; and some, touching the State and Condition thereof after Death, and touching the Resurrection; why, for Gods sake, must they needs be Infallible, when they speak of the Points now debated amongst us? pg. 312

Forasmuch therefore, as we are not to build upon the Authority of any Author that may justly be accused of Error; it is most evident, that the Authority of the greatest part, and indeed in a manner of all the Fathers, may very well be called in Question: seeing that you will hardly find any one of them that is not liable to this Exception. pg. 317

As Dionysius Alexandrinus, St. Hierome, Gregory Nazian∣zene, and others, conceived not themselves bound to sub∣mit to the Authority of Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Lactantius, Victorinus, Severus, and others; so neither are we any more bound to submit to theirs: For, their Posterity oweth them no more Respect, than they themselves owed to their Ancestors. It seemeth rather, that in Reason they should owe them less, because that look how far distant in time they are from the Apostles, who are as it were the Spring and Original of all Ecclesiastical Authority; so much doth the Credit and Authority of the Doctors of the Church lose and grow less. pg. 321

So that I conceive we may, without troubling our selves any further in making this envious Inquiry into the Errours of the Fathers, conclude from what hath been already produced, that seeing the Fathers have Erred in so many Particulars, not on singly, but also many of them together; Neither the private Opinion of each particular Father, nor yet the unanimous Consent of the Major part of them, is a sufficient Argument certainly to prove the Truth of those Points, which are at this day controverted amongst Us. pg. 326

Chapter 5 The Fathers contradict one another and maintain differing opinions. 

Certainly he that shall but read the Fathers them∣selves, will easily and quickly perceive, that they clash and contradict each other, in most plain and irreconcilable Terms, and that there is no other way of bringing them honestly together, but by receiving every one of them, with his own private Opinions; imitating here∣in the marvellous Wisdom of the Council of Constantinople in Trullo; which receiveth and alloweth of all in gross, without distinction, both the Canons of the Apostles, and the whole Code of the Church Universal, together with those of Sardica, Carthage, and Laodicea; amongst which notwithstanding there are found strong Contradictions. pg. 336

For as much therefore as we many times meet with Contrariety of Judgment, as well in their Expositions of the Scriptures, as in their Opinions, we may safely conclude, that they are not of sufficient Authority to be admitted as the Supreme Judges of our Controversies: that Contradiction, which is often found amongst them, evidently shewing, that they are not Infallible Judges, such as it is requisite that they should be, for the making good of all those Points, which are at this day maintained by the Church of Rome against the Protestants. pg. 340
Chapter 6 Neither the Church of Rome nor the Protestants accept the Fathers as authorities because they pick and choose what they will from them. 

As for our Protestants of France, whom their Adversaries would fain perswade, if they could, to receive the Fathers for Judges in Religion; and to whom consequently they ought not, according to the Laws of a legitimate Disputation, to alledge for the proof of any Point in debate, any other Principles, than what they do allow of; it is evident, that they attribute to the Fathers nothing less, than such an Authority. For, in the Confessing of Faith they declare, in the very beginning of it, That they hold the Scriptures to be the Rule of their Faith and as for all other Ecclesiastical Writings, although they account them to be useful, yet nevertheless do they not conceive, that a man may safely build any Article of Faith upon them. pg. 342

We need not bring in here any more Examples: do but read their (Roman Catholic) Commentaries, their Disputations, and their other Discourses, and you will find them almost in every page, either rejecting, or correcting the Fathers. pg. 356

Conclusion what use are the Fathers?

And thus you see, that the Authority of the Fathers is of very great Use in the Church, and serveth as an Outwork to the Scriptures, for the repelling the Presumption of those, who would forge a New Faith. But forasmuch as those, who broach New Doctrines of their own Head, do Ordinarily slight the Holy Scriptures; as those very Hereticks did, whom Iraeneus confuted; who impudently accused Them of not being Right; and that they are of no Authority; and speak in very Ambiguous Terms; and that they are not able to inform a man of the Truth, unless they are acquainted with Tradition; the Truth having been delivered (as These men pretended) not in Writing, but by Word of Mouth: For this Reason, I say, and for other the like, are the Writings of the Fathers of very great Use in these Disputes; and I conceive This to be one of the Principal ends for which the Divine Providence hath, in despite of So many Confusions, and Changes, preserved so many of them safe, down to our times. pg. 410 - 411

My Opinion therefore is, That although the Authority of the Fathers be not sufficient to prove the Truth of those Articles which are now maintained by the Church of Rome against the Protestants, although the Ancients should perhaps have believed the same; it may notwithstanding serve to prove the Falseness of them, in case that we should find by the Fathers, that the Ancients were either wholly ignorant of them, or at least acknowledged them not for such, as they would now have us believe them to be: which is a Business that so nearly concerns the Protestants, as that to be able to bring about their Design, I conceive they ought to employ a good part of their time in reading over the Books of the Ancients. pg. 414

According to Daille the right use of the Fathers consists in using them to determine what is false and new. But if the Fathers don't have any authority to determine what is positive then why should be trust them to be able to tell us what is false?

Throughout the book Daille talks out of one side of his mouth denouncing the authority of the Fathers while out of the other side he praises their learning and brilliance. However, one of his arguments against the Fathers is their many errors. Reading this book one cannot escape the utter disdain Daille has for the Fathers. If we were to take his advise to heart then not only are the Fathers totally worthless but we can never even know exactly what they taught!

Daille appeals to Scripture as our final authority in all matters of religion but he does not discuss the problems that entails. Who has the authority to interpret Scripture? But that is a problem outside the narrow scope of this book. Volume 2 of Richard Muller's Post Reformation Reformed Dogmatics should fill that gap.