Friday, 13 December 2024

Fr. Stephen de Young Claims the Westminster Standards Plagiarize Aquinas

The Lord of Spirits is a podcast hosted by Orthodox priest Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick and Fr. Stephen De Young. They discuss various topics from an Eastern Orthodox perspective. A recent podcast from November 15th, 2024 discussed the doctrine of election. There are many things to take issue with in this podcast but this article will deal with only two of them.

The first issue to be dealt with is Fr. De Young's claim that Calvinists ultimately define God's will as being arbitrary. 


Lord of Spirits - Israel, I Choose You! [Ep. 103]
20:16 So, Israel, right, in the Old Testament as God's chosen people. That's maybe where your your brain first goes, right? And, and that is obviously right. The adjective is used to describe Israel a lot. 
And, and, and people people from that, they get this idea of like saying, that you know, Israel is picked by God, you know from all the other nations, you know like who do they think some people even say, you know, well, who do they think they are? You know, that sort of thing, setting aside of course the big problem of what is Israel. But, but yeah there's this idea of, of, you know, God looked at all the nations and said, ah, I like this one the best. Yes, I'm going to pick this one and I'm going to, I love them more than all the other ones and they're special yeah, right? And just because I chose right, right. 

Um, this is an side note to Calvinists as we get going. See, I was about to say chose arbitrarily. If you say, if you say to Calvinists that God makes this choice arbitrarily in their system they get really mad. But I mean that's what, and they say it's not arbitrarily it's according to his good pleasure it's according to his will. Guys, the word arbitrio in Latin means will. What? Arbitrary means chosen with reference to nothing but one's will. Okay arbitrary is exactly what you say it is like definitionally arbitrary derived from the Latin arbitrio means just exactly what you say. So, in the Calvinist system God chooses arbitrarily, chooses according with reference to nothing but his will. Just will and picked Israel, right? Well, there's a problem with that. 
What we have here is the logical fallacy of equivocation. Calvinists do say God chooses according to his will and good pleasure or the good pleasure of his will. Fr. De Young says that means the choice is with reference to nothing but God's will thus it is arbitrary because will in Latin is arbitrio and the English word arbitrary is derived from that Latin word. 

This is wrong. Arbitrio is latin for "free will." Arbitrary is derived from a different Latin word, arbiter.
Arbitrary comes from Latin arbiter, which means "judge" and is the source of the English arbiter. In English, arbitrary first meant "depending upon choice or discretion" and was specifically used to indicate the sort of decision (as for punishment) left up to the expert determination of a judge rather than defined by law. Today, it can also be used for anything determined by or as if by a personal choice or whim

So, he has not even got the etymology correct. 

The fasle equivocation is claiming the English words will and arbitrary mean the same thing as the Latin word arbitrio. They do not. It should be obvious that two of those words are English while the other is Latin. Let's see how this plays out in the scriptures. 

Ephesians 1:11 reads:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
The Latin Vulgate reads:
in quo etiam sorte vocati sumus praedestinati secundum propositum eius qui omnia operatur secundum consilium voluntatis suae
Ephesians 1:5 reads:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
The Latin reads:
qui praedestinavit nos in adoptionem filiorum per Iesum Christum in ipsum secundum propositum voluntatis suae

The word translated will is translated voluntatis in the Latin Vulgate, not arbitrio. Voluntatis means will. Arbitrio means free will or to decide freely. They are not the same word or concept. The word arbitrio shows up in only two places in the Latin Vulgate, Numbers 30:13 (14 in the Vulgate and 2 Kings 12:4. Neither of those verses have anything to do with the will of God. 
Numbers 30:13 Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void.

2 Kings 12:4 And Jehoash said to the priests, All the money of the dedicated things that is brought into the house of the Lord, even the money of every one that passeth the account, the money that every man is set at, and all the money that cometh into any man's heart to bring into the house of the Lord,
Those verses are about free will offerings and oaths made by men. 

Thus, claiming Calvinists ultimately consider God's will to be arbitrary because the English words will and arbitrary are both derived from the Latin word arbitrio is not only a false equivalency but also theologically and grammatically incorrect. It is an ignorant dig at Calvinism and a total ignoring of the text of the Scriptures which say in many places God does everything according to his will and good pleasure. Is Fr. De Young really going to call the works of God arbitrary? Will he become a voluntarist? To be consistent he must. The only other solution is to recognize God has a revealed will and a secret will meaning God tells us what to do but he is not accountable to us to explain his purpose.
Psalm 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
The second issue to be dealt with is Fr. De Young's ludicrous claim the Westminster Standards plagiarize the Summa Theologica.  

54:26 Calvin gets his view of predestinarianism from the Dominicans. Okay. He is not really an innovator on that particular front. Now when you get to some of the secondary doctrines related to election and reprobation, like limited atonement and stuff, then Calvin goes in a different direction, okay. But predestination and reprobation itself he's getting from the Dominican tradition within Roman Catholicism, okay. Um, to the point that if you go and read and and I do not recommend doing this, you know I give to the Presbyterians and now I take away. I don't recommend going and trying to read the Westminster standards. It is so boring. Um, it is like it is English scholasticism. It is like the most boring possible form of document, right? Like everything tedious and dry about scholasticism mixed with everything tedious and dry about English philosophy. Like in one place. But if for some reason for a class or something you have to read the Westminster standards or if you just go and look up the statement in the Westminster standards about reprobation, about people being chosen for Eternal damnation, it is straight plagiarized from the Summa Theologica of Thomas Aquinas. Like you would get kicked out of school if you turned in the Westminster standards. Uh, they'd say you you cheated off of uh old, old Thomas's, uh, paper

First of all it should be noted that Fr. De Young is admitting the Reformed doctrines of predestination and reprobation are not new. That ought to give any Catholic or Eastern Orthodox pause because the Reformers are constantly accused of innovation. Again and again opponents of Protestantism will claim Protestantism is "my and bible and me" with no reference to the Church which is a malicious caricature. Anyone who wants to debate Protestants needs to familiarize themselves with Richard Muller's Post-Reformation Reformed Dogmatics where that nonsense is thoroughly put to bed.

Oh, but it's boring reading long tomes. It's boring putting in the work to understand Protestantism. Them's the breaks. 

That brings me to the second thing which is Fr. De Young's claim the Westminster Standards plagiarizes the Summa Theologica. It is not clear if he means the Westminster Confession alone or also the Larger and Shorter Catechism. Here is the BRIEF section in the Westminster Confession concerning reprobation.

6. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so hath He, by the eternal and most free purpose of His will, foreordained all the means thereunto. Wherefore they who are elected being fallen in Adam are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ by His Spirit working in due season; are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by His power through faith unto salvation. Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.

7. The rest of mankind, God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of His own will, whereby He extendeth or withholdeth mercy as He pleaseth, for the glory of His sovereign power over His creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of His glorious justice.

https://learn.ligonier.org/articles/westminster-confession-faith

I say brief because Thomas Aquinas is never brief and there is not enough in this section that could possibly called plagiarism. However here the Summa's entire section on reprobation which for Aquinas is quite brief. 

Article 3. Whether God reprobates any man?

Objection 1. It seems that God reprobates no man. For nobody reprobates what he loves. But God loves every man, according to (Wisdom 11:25): "Thou lovest all things that are, and Thou hatest none of the things Thou hast made." Therefore God reprobates no man.

Objection 2. Further, if God reprobates any man, it would be necessary for reprobation to have the same relation to the reprobates as predestination has to the predestined. But predestination is the cause of the salvation of the predestined. Therefore reprobation will likewise be the cause of the loss of the reprobate. But this false. For it is said (Hosea 13:9): "Destruction is thy own, O Israel; Thy help is only in Me." God does not, then, reprobate any man.

Objection 3. Further, to no one ought anything be imputed which he cannot avoid. But if God reprobates anyone, that one must perish. For it is said (Ecclesiastes 7:14): "Consider the works of God, that no man can correct whom He hath despised." Therefore it could not be imputed to any man, were he to perish. But this is false. Therefore God does not reprobate anyone.

On the contrary, It is said (Malachi 1:2-3): "I have loved Jacob, but have hated Esau."

I answer that, God does reprobate some. For it was said above (Article 1) that predestination is a part of providence. To providence, however, it belongs to permit certain defects in those things which are subject to providence, as was said above (I:22:2). Thus, as men are ordained to eternal life through the providence of God, it likewise is part of that providence to permit some to fall away from that end; this is called reprobation. Thus, as predestination is a part of providence, in regard to those ordained to eternal salvation, so reprobation is a part of providence in regard to those who turn aside from that end. Hence reprobation implies not only foreknowledge, but also something more, as does providence, as was said above (I:22:1). Therefore, as predestination includes the will to confer grace and glory; so also reprobation includes the will to permit a person to fall into sin, and to impose the punishment of damnation on account of that sin.

Reply to Objection 1. God loves all men and all creatures, inasmuch as He wishes them all some good; but He does not wish every good to them all. So far, therefore, as He does not wish this particular good—namely, eternal life—He is said to hate or reprobated them.

Reply to Objection 2. Reprobation differs in its causality from predestination. This latter is the cause both of what is expected in the future life by the predestined—namely, glory—and of what is received in this life—namely, grace. Reprobation, however, is not the cause of what is in the present—namely, sin; but it is the cause of abandonment by God. It is the cause, however, of what is assigned in the future—namely, eternal punishment. But guilt proceeds from the free-will of the person who is reprobated and deserted by grace. In this way, the word of the prophet is true—namely, "Destruction is thy own, O Israel."

Reply to Objection 3. Reprobation by God does not take anything away from the power of the person reprobated. Hence, when it is said that the reprobated cannot obtain grace, this must not be understood as implying absolute impossibility: but only conditional impossibility: as was said above (I:19:3), that the predestined must necessarily be saved; yet a conditional necessity, which does not do away with the liberty of choice. Whence, although anyone reprobated by God cannot acquire grace, nevertheless that he falls into this or that particular sin comes from the use of his free-will. Hence it is rightly imputed to him as guilt.

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1023.htm#article3

Again I ask, where is the plagiarism? It is not in the words. Is it in the idea? If so then it is plagiarism for both Aquinas and the authors of the WCF to confess the same doctrine which is total nonsense. Billions of Christians around the globe for 2,000 years have believed, taught, and written about the same doctrines.  Fr. De Young has already noted that Calvin and Aquinas, or the Dominicans, agree on predestination. There is a whole book devoted to showing how Luther and Aquinas agree substantially. It is called Luther: Right or Wrong by Harry McSorely

Not to mention the Westminster Standards were written in English while the Summa was written in Latin. Did Fr. De Young forget about that? Funny that he tells his listeners to not read the Westminster Standards. because it is boring. Does he tell them not read the Bible because the Confession of Dositheus forbids all laity from reading the Bible?

Those are the two issues I wanted to discuss about this particular podcast. The first one is a logical fallacy and the second one is flat-out ridiculous. 

Friday, 9 August 2024

Adolph von Harnack on Picture Worship Being "The Distinctive Character of the Greek Church"

Adolph von Harnack was one of if not the most important Higher Critic scholars of the Bible during the nineteenth century. He wrote an eight volume series of books titled The History of Dogma. 

Eight volumes in four books Dover paperback edition

Read what he says makes the Greek, that is the Eastern Orthodox Church, distinctive. 

The distinctive character of the Greek Church was most clearly expressed in the worship of pictures, in the form in which it was dogmatically settled after the controversy on the subject. There had been pictures from early times, originally for decorative purposes, and afterwards for instruction, in the grave-yards, churches, memorial chapels, and houses, and fixed to all sorts of furniture. Opposition had existed, but it came to an end in the Constantinian age. The people were to learn from the pictures the histories they depicted ; they were looked on as the books of the unlearned.

At the same time the picture was to adorn holy places. But still another interest gradually made itself felt, one that had formerly been most strenuously resisted by early Christianity. It is natural for men to desire relics and images of venerated beings, to withdraw them from profane use, and to treat them with deep devotion. Christianity had originally resisted this impulse, so far as any thing connected with the deity was concerned, in order not to fall into idolatry. There was less repugnance, however, to it, when it dealt with Christ, and almost none from the first in the case of martyrs and heroic characters. From this point the veneration of relics and pictures slowly crept in again. But from the fifth century it was greatly strengthened, and received a support unheard of in antiquity, through the dogma of the incarnation and the corresponding treatment of the Eucharist. Christ was the image of God, and yet a living being, nay, a life-giving spirit, Christ had by the incarnation made it possible to apprehend the divine in a material form, and had raised sensuous human nature to the divine: the consecrated elements were εἰκόνες of Christ and yet were his very body. These ideas introduced thought to a new world. It was not only the Areopagite and the mystics who saw in all consecrated finite things the active symbol of an eternal power, or perceived the superiority of the Christian religion to all others in the very fact that it brought the divine everywhere into contact with the senses. They merely raised to the level of a philosophic view what the common man and the monk had long perceived, namely, that everything secular which has been adopted by the Church became, not only a symbol, but also a vehicle of the sacred. But amid secular things the image, which bore as it were its consecration in itself, appeared to be least secular. 

Pictures of Christ, Mary, and the saints, had been already worshipped from the fifth (fourth) century with greetings, kisses, prostration, a renewal of ancient pagan practices. In the naive and confident conviction that Christians no longer ran any risk of idolatry, the Church not only tolerated, but promoted, the entrance of paganism. It was certainly the intention to worship the divine in the material ; for the incarnation of deity had deified nature. A brisk trade was carried on in the seventh and beginning of the eighth century in images, especially by monks ; churches, and chapels were crowded with pictures and relics; the practice of heathen times was revived, only the sense of beauty was inverted. It was not fresh life that seemed fair, but, though a trace of the majestic might not be lacking, it was the life consecrated to asceticism and death. We do not know how far artistic incapacity, how far the dogmatic intention, contributed to the Byzantine ideal of the saints. " Authentic " pictures were in existence, and numberless copies were made from them. By their means, monkish piety, engaged in a stupid staring at sacred things, ruled the people, and dragged Christianity down to deeper and deeper depths. 

If you think that is only the easily discarded opinion of one German Higher Critic scholar think again. The Sunday of Orthodoxy which commemorates the day icons were restored after the Seventh Ecumenical Council is celebrated every year. Here is a sample sermon from Fr. Josiah Trenham extolling icons. 


18:08 Today, especially, we commemorate the faithfulness of the church to maintain her belief in the greatest miracle that the human race has ever witnessed, which is that God, in time, the uncreated one, became a creature.

That God, who has always been, became what he was not always a man without ceasing to be what he always was God.

This is why we confess that our Lord Jesus Christ is both, at the same time, truly God and truly man.

One Jesus, in two natures, divine and human, and that that fundamental Christian conviction, that heaven and earth have been joined, that angels of men have met, what was prophesied in the gospel reading today, that he would become a ladder upon which the angels of God would go up and down.

He would be the connector between heaven and earth, consubstantial with his father from all eternity and having a hand on his father, and consubstantial with us by his humanity, which he took in time, but maintains forever in a deified condition.

His hand on man, the ultimate savior, the reconciler, the peace between God and man, our Lord Jesus Christ, this is the gospel, the power of God under the salvation of everyone who believes.

We will never alter it, we will never give it up, and we confess it by depicting him everywhere.

Iconography is the expression of the greatest miracle that mankind has ever witnessed.

The depiction of Jesus as a human being isn't just a nice thing, it is a necessary thing, the church says.

There is no way to propagate the gospel without the words of Holy Scripture and the images of Jesus's faith, faith, period.

The iconoclast heretics who troubled the church for 150 years in the seventh and eighth century told us that this was improper, that this was a violation of the second commandment to make a graven image as though depicting the son of God in the flesh was making an idol.

Anathema to them we say today, their liars and heretics and deniers of the gospel, we will never accept the idea that Jesus must not be depicted in a holy icon.

Just like St. Victoria said, it's a foolish question why we celebrate the Eucharist as though there could be any Christian without the Eucharist, so it's a foolish question to ask why we would have a holy icon as though there could be Christianity without the depiction of Christ in image.

No iconography, no Christianity, mark my words because they're the words of the church.

Nathaniel in today's gospel who met Christ and made that beautiful confession, he held these two things together brothers and sisters.

He was a man, Jesus said, who had no guile. He was a man of virtue. What you saw was what you got. There wasn't a church Nathaniel or a Sunday Nathaniel and then a Monday through Saturday Nathaniel.

There was one Nathaniel and a guileless man, but he was also a man of the true faith. He said, rabbi, you are the son of God, you are the king of Israel. Yes, I see your body that you're a man, but you're also God's son.

This fundamental conviction, brothers and sisters, is the true faith and this is ours. And the witness of this day, climaxing the first week of Great Lent, if to hold these two things together and this is what we must do.

We must hold the faith, keep the creed, believe the gospel and seek to become guileless people like Nathaniel. This combination of faith that's working through love is what saves us and this is why we'll never give it up.

No iconography, no Christianity.

Just think about that inane statement. Without pictures of Jesus Christ there can be no Christianity. How ridiculous! As if being able to depict Christ in an icon is essential to the Christian faith when icons did not even appear until long after Christ inaugurated His Church on a good confession in Him. 

Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?


16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The Scriptures give us the key to what is essential to Christiantiy and its not icons. It is the resurrection. 
1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Take it not only from the scholar Adolph von Harnack but from a modern day Orthodox priest. Picture worship, iconography, is the distinctive character of the Greek, that is Eastern Orthodox, Church. 

Thursday, 8 August 2024

David Patrick Harry Says: First Century Christians Did not Have a Bible

I have written several articles about David Patrick Harry who goes by the name Church of the Eternal Logos and, as long as he continues to say dumb things, I will continue to do so. In a recent livestream comparing The Church of Christ with The Orthodox Church David got into a discussion about Sola Scriptura. David actually says Christians in the first century did not have a Bible. 


1:49:20 Was Sola Scriptura present in the Old Testament? Was Sola Scriptura present in the first century? So, right, like that's a fundamental problem for them. So, they're first century Christians basing their faith on scripture. Did first century Christians have a Bible to use? No. No. Absolutely not. So, so what, what role did scripture in the Bible have for first century Christians? Well, it was tradition. The Apostles, they knew what the teachings were, they knew which Epistles, they knew which Gospels, you know, out of all the Gnostic Gospels that began to emerge in the second century. First, the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Peter. You know, it's the tradition, it's the church, it's the hierarchy that which protected it from all this fallible nonsense.

That David could say something so dumb is mind boggling. Does he not know what the Septuagint is?  It's the Bible of the first century Christians! Jesus stood up in the Synagogue and read from it Himself. Jesus is always referring to the Septuagint when he speaks of Himself and His mission. The Apostle Paul also cites copiously from the Septuagint in his letters. 

Perhaps David means first century Christians did not have a full Bible including both Old and New Testaments. His own statement undercuts that interpretation. 

So, so what what role did scripture in the Bible have for first century Christians? Well, it was tradition. The Apostles, they knew what the teachings were, they knew which Epistles, they knew which Gospels

According to David first century Christians knew which were the inspired and authoritative epistles and Gospels. That means they had a written collection of documents from which they drew their teaching. 

The fact that there was no official, that is canonically defined, list of books until well after Marcion forced the Church's hand by drawing up his own list is no barrier to Sola Scriptura. The Church has always had a Bible.

In Lee McDonald's book "The Biblical Canon" there are various canonical lists which do not all agree. David would have us think that this proves there was no fixed canon and because there was no fixed canon sola scriptura is invalid. This is actually wrong and McDonald on pages 216 and 217 writes the following:

There is little doubt that the core of the biblical collection of authoritative books is essentially the same collection that we no have in the Protestant OT collection. What is in question in canonical studies are book on the fringe. These fringe books included both canonical and apocryphal books, were disputed among Jews and Christians for centuries, even though many leaders in the church and synagogue freely quoted these writings in an authoritative manner, sometimes even using the designations Scripture or as it is written to refer to them. Remarkably, these disputes took place for centuries after decisions were supposedly made about its canonicity. Yet in neither group - those who accepted and those who rejected the authority of this literature - was there any noticeable change in theology.
“The decision whether to accept or reject the deuterocanonical literature is not at the core of what Christianity is all about. As the Law of Moses formed the core of the OT, so also the Gospels and Paul have been at the heart of the NT biblical canon since the second century, even though there was a great deal of dispute over the deutero-Pauline epistles (especially the Pastorals), Hebrews, the Catholic (or General) Epistles, and Revelation. The Jews and later the Christians fully accepted the Law of Moses as the core of their sacred Scriptures. Soon thereafter, most if not all of the traditional Prophets and many of the Writings were accepted as canonical, but at a secondary level of scriptural authority among the Jews. Not everyone agreed on the contents of the Writings, especially not before the time of Jesus, but the division of opinion was not over the core, but over the fringe.
The issue, writes McDonald, is fringe books and not the core. There has always been a core of canonical scripture for both Christians and Jews. At first the Christians adopted the Septuagint. Later they held the Gospels and the letters of Paul to be central to their doctrines. The very fact that there are lists at all indicates that Scripture was being appealed to as an authoritative source of doctrine. Not merely appealed to but actually built upon. Irenaus says this very thing:
We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith 
Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3.1.1 
The Scriptures are the ground and pillar of our faith. That is the very essence of sola scriptura. 

The reason David is wrong is because as a member of the Orthodox Church he places his faith in the hierarchy and unwritten nebulous traditions, not in the Scriptures. David Patrick Harry does not have the same faith as St. Irenaeus who said the Scriptures are the ground and pillar of our faith. 

Monday, 5 August 2024

"The Oxford Handbook of the Bible in Orthodox Christianity" on The Confession of Dositheus

It should not be a controversial thing to say the Confession of Dositheus absolutely forbids the reading of Scripture by all laymen. The words of the confession are quite plain on the matter. The Oxford Handbook of the Bible in Orthodox Christianity mentions the Confession of Dositheus on this matter in two places.


Dositheos also expanded the biblical canon, and imitating the Council of Trent, he called the Septuagint additions canonical books (Pentiuc 2014, 128). He also responded to the Loukarean thesis regarding the private reading of the Scripture by claiming that Divine Scriptures:

should not be read by all, but only by those who with fitting research have inquired into the deep things of the Spirit, and who know in what manner the Divine Scriptures ought to be searched, and taught, and in fine read. (Karmires 1953, 768; translation: Leith 1963, 506)

Recently, Belezos (2020, 68) has stressed that the Dosithean confession does not introduce a general prohibition of the private reading of the Scripture in the vernacular. Instead, Dositheos promotes three criteria for a properly Orthodox interpretation and transmission of the Bible: (1) the respect to the patristic interpretation, (2) the ecclesial experience, and (3) the illumination of the Spirit. Accordingly, the exclusive priority belongs neither to Scripture (sola scriptura) nor the ecclesial authorities (magisterium) but to the Holy Spirit that inspired the biblical authors and holds the Church together. Belezos’s claims demonstrate that Dositheos not only imitated Tridentine Catholicism but also tried to consider the traditional Byzantine theology (Russell 2013, 82). However, Loukaris also stressed the role of the Spirit. Therefore, the emphasis on the role of the Spirit in Dositheos’s strange position does not solve its problematic character. This prohibition can be explained only from the perspective of Dositheus’s passion for defending Orthodoxy. This passion led him to a decision with no parallel in the history of eastern Christianity (Georgi 1941, 56).

pg. 283

The author of this essay, Athanathios Despotis, calls this prohibition "problematic" and "with no parallel in the history of eastern Christianity."

The second place where the Confession of Dositheus' prohibition of the Christian laity reading Scripture is discussed says the following. 

In the wake of the Protestant Reformation and an emphasis on individual reading and study of Scripture, the Orthodox Church issued several official pronouncements against private biblical study. In 1672, the Synod of Jerusalem issued what is commonly known as the Confession of Dositheus as a rebuttal to various Calvinist positions. One particular issue that was raised in the Confession of Dositheus is directly relevant to the discussion of critical study of Scripture among Orthodox. The following appears in the form of a question and answer in the Confession of Dositheus:

Question #1: Should the Divine Scriptures be read commonly by all Christians? 

Response: No. We know that all Scripture is divinely inspired and beneficial, and in this way has in it what is necessary, so that without it, it is impossible to be pious at all. Nevertheless, it should not be read by all, but only by those who with the proper investigation have inquired into the depths of the Spirit, and who know which ways the divine Scripture should to be investigated and taught, and generally read. But to those who are not trained and indifferent, or who understand only literally, or in any other way what is contained in the Scriptures that is foreign to piety, the catholic Church, knowing by experience the damage caused, does not permit its legitimate reading. It is permitted to every pious person to hear the Scripture so that that person may believe with the heart unto righteousness, and confess with the mouth unto salvation. But to read certain parts of Scripture, and especially the Old Testament, is prohibited for the aforementioned reasons and others similar to them. To order untrained persons not to read all of sacred Scripture is the same thing as restricting infants from touching solid food.

This statement on the reading and interpretation of Scripture was repeated almost verbatim in 1723 in An Exposition of the Orthodox Faith by prominent bishops, among whom were Patriarch Jeremiah III of Constantinople, Patriarch Athanasius IV of Antioch, and Patriarch Chrysanthos of Jerusalem. These Church pronouncements prohibited the reading of Scripture generally by all Orthodox Christians, except “by those who with the proper investigation have inquired into the depths of the Spirit, and who know which ways the divine Scripture should to be investigated and taught, and generally read.” The Confession of Dositheus and the Exposition of 1723 also give special emphasis to Orthodox Christians being prohibited from reading “certain parts of Scripture, but especially the Old Testament.” These Church pronouncements assert that Orthodox Christians in general are permitted to hear the Scriptures in church where they are to “believe with the heart unto righteousness, and confess with the mouth unto salvation.” In their approach to Scripture, these Church pronouncements emphasize that it is essential for Orthodox Christians to hear, believe, and confess, but not to read Scripture. Moreover, nothing is said about the necessity of Orthodox Christians understanding the Scriptures. Indeed, in the response to Question #2 in the Confession of Dositheus as well as in the Exposition of 1723, it is asserted that only those “trained in wisdom and holiness” can understand the content of Scripture.

Despite these restrictions, the desire for general reading of Scripture by Orthodox and the influence of historical criticism began to be felt slowly in Greece in the 1830s.

pg. 323-324

This author, John Fotopoulos, notes that Dositheus' approach to scripture was an emphasis on the laity hearing and believing without reading or understanding the Scriptures being of any necessity. The prohibition of reading the Scripture "was repeated almost verbatim" in An Orthodox Exposition of the Faith published in 1723. Here is a translation from 1865. The citation is on pages 87 and 88.  

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=lI0QAAAAIAAJ&pg=PP15&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

Fotopoulos then goes on to note that "these restrictions" have basically been ignored. A long dissertation follows unpacking that observation. 

Is it any wonder Dositheus' prohibition of reading Scripture by the laity has been ignored? It is not only utterly absurd to deny the laity the right to read the Word of God but, as previously noted, it is without precedent in the history of Eastern Christianity. One only needs to read Chrysostom, the great preacher of Constantinople, to see he constantly berated his parishioners for being ignorant of the Scriptures and implored them to read them.

And yet, not only was this prohibition repeated at least twice in official and confessional Orthodox documents, it has never been overturned. The Confession of Dositheus, along with its prohibition of the laity from reading Scripture, remains in force to this day.

Sunday, 4 August 2024

The Stupidest Q & A Ever From Church of the Eternal Logos

David Patrick Harry, who goes by the handle Church of The Eternal Logos, is an intelligent guy who is also pretty dumb. His intelligence shines when he talks about subjects in which he is well versed such as psychedelics. His dumbness comes through when he talks about subjects in which he is not well versed such as Protestantism and the Gospel.  

During a recent livestream someone asked a rather interesting question about how the Protestants interpret the Bible.


17:06 We also had a super chat over on Streamlabs by Storm The Cat who throws in $10 and says "Do you think modern society and Technology affects the way Evangelical Protestants interpret the Bible and theology. It is hard to explain but the way they interpret the Bible seems mechanistic and soulless whereas Orthodoxy is more in harmony with nature?

Let's stop here. What is he saying yeah to? The questioner has not explained his terms which are quite vague and meaningless. How can David agree or disagree if he does not know what the question means? Already David is off to a bad start. 

What is this nonsense? Protestants advocated for the slaughter of Catholics during the French Revolution as revenge for the Thirty Years War? Citation please. How exactly is Protestantism "informed by Enlightenment values?" The Enlightenment was a rejection of all things Christian and came about two hundred yearss after the Protestant Reformation. One of its chief proponents was Voltaire who wished to stamp out Christianity. 



David is talking out of his butt here. He does this all the time. Because Protestants separated from the Catholic Church David thinks that means they are revolutionaries who sought to not only undermine the authority of the Catholic Church but also divorce themselves from the Church so completely as to start something brand new. That is an incorrect interpretation of the Protestant Reformation. 

The question was about the interpretation of the Bible and David does not even touch on that subject. Instead he links Protestantism to communism, socialism, Nazism, the French Revolution, the acceptance of homosexuality, and the Spirit of Revolution. What a load of malarkey. At no time did Protestants seek to subvert either the authority of the Roman Catholic Church or the Crown. They did seek to separate themselves from both to worship in peace. For instance when English Protestants were persecuted by Mary Queen of Scots they fled to the Netherlands and Switzerland. French and English Protestants both fled to the New World to avoid persecution. 

To say Protestantism is informed by Enlightenment values and the Spirit of Revolution is completely a-historic and without foundation. This argument has been making the rounds by people like David Patrick Harry, Jay Dyer, and Rebecca Wilson who claims feminism, Satanism, and basically doing one's own thing is an outgrowth of Protestantism. As if the men who claimed we are saved by faith alone through the grace of Jesus Christ alone would condone Satanism, feminism, or the French Revolution. Such a claim is quite a stretch. A much firmer connection would be between the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. 

David also claims that Protestants don't even have a sacramental theology because the sacraments for them are merely symbolic. That couldn't be further from the truth. 

The Westminster Confession says the following about the sacraments. 

1. Sacraments are holy signs and seals of the covenant of grace, immediately instituted by God, to represent Christ and his benefits, and to confirm our interest in him:  as also to put a visible difference between those that belong unto the Church and the rest of the world; and solemnly to engage them to the service of God in Christ, according to his Word.

2. There is in every sacrament a spiritual relation or sacramental union, between the sign and the thing signified; whence it comes to pass that the names and the effects of the one are attributed to the other.

3. The grace which is exhibited in or by the sacraments, rightly used, is not conferred by any power in them; neither doth the efficacy of a sacrament depend upon the piety or intention of him that doth administer it, but upon the work of the Spirit, and the word of institution, which contains, together with a precept authorizing the use thereof, a promise of benefit to worthy receivers.

https://www.apuritansmind.com/westminster-standards/chapter-27/

The Heidelberg Catechism says the following about the sacraments. 

Q & A 65

Q. It is through faith alone that we share in Christ and all his benefits: where then does that faith come from?

A. The Holy Spirit produces it in our hearts by the preaching of the holy gospel, and confirms it by the use of the holy sacraments.

Q & A 66

Q. What are sacraments?

A. Sacraments are visible, holy signs and seals.They were instituted by God so that by our use of them he might make us understand more clearly the promise of the gospel, and seal that promise. And this is God’s gospel promise: to grant us forgiveness of sins and eternal life by grace because of Christ’s one sacrifice accomplished on the cross.

https://www.heidelberg-catechism.com/en/lords-days/25.html

Does that sounds like Protestants teach the sacraments are empty symbols? Of course not. It is mind boggling that anti-Protestants such as David Patrick Harry never look at the confessions when discussing what Protestants allegedly believe. Instead they make it up as they go. 

David should never have answered the question. Instead he should have tried to figure what the question meant. Is he aware that Protestants practically invented Patristsics? This notion that Protestants rejected "the tradition of the Apostles" and divorced themselves "from Apostolic succession" and created "new interpretations and hermeneutics and Theological understandings of scripture" is pure, unadulterated horse manure and betrays a total ignorance of Protestant Biblical exegesis. Read the writings of Protestants and you will see a litany of citations from the Church Fathers. Protestants have never conceived of themselves in the caricature of "me and my Bible alone."

The question should have been rejected from the start. Not only is it loaded but the terms given are undefined. If you cannot explain your own question because its to hard to explain then you are not asking a question, you are expressing a feeling. 

Sunday, 28 July 2024

God Saved Donald Trump and Killed Corey Comperatore

Apparently it is odd and freakish to believe God saved Donald Trump's life from an assassin's bullet. It does not help that some who believe that idea are odd and freakish themselves. 


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29515265/donald-trump-chosen-by-god-pastor-sean-moon-usa/

Last Wednesday, as Trump took to the stage at the gigantic Bojangles Coliseum in Charlotte, North ­Carolina, Hyung Jin “Sean” Moon would not have been ­anywhere else.

The pastor runs the Rod Of Iron Ministries — also known as the MAGA, or Make America Great Again, church — and his sect worships with AR-15 rifles by their sides.

Speaking to The Sun on Sunday as the excitement was building among the large crowd, moments before the 78-year-old took to the stage, he told us: “We believe that God has chosen Donald Trump and he preserved his life during that terrible assassination attempt that the whole world saw.

“He dodged that bullet by God’s grace, that 15-degree turn to the right saved his life and was God’s hand.

Moon — who has followed Trump around the country and has condemned the Biden government as “a satanic cult of power” — is the son of Korean businessman Sun Myung Moon, who founded the Unification Church, whose followers are dubbed Moonies.

Moon Junior has set up his own offshoot and carved a name for himself among gun rights advocates.

He doesn’t wear the MAGA red cap, while his usual uniform is military-style cargo pants, matching shirt and crown of polished bullets — often with a gold AR-15 rifle, which he says is his firearm of choice, because “it’s a fine weapon”.

Rod of Iron Ministries is an offshoot of the Unification Church which was founded by Sun Myung Moon who proclaimed himself to be the Messiah! Clearly this is not a Christian group and should be avoided by anyone with a lick of sense. That does not negate the truth of the statement, "He dodged that bullet by God's grace."

Other religious and political leaders have said the same thing only to be mocked by leftist publications like Rolling Stone. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-god-spared-maga-leaders-believe-1235060168/

The notion of divine intervention itself raises uncomfortable questions — including why a just deity would allow a local former fire department leader to perish in the same attack, while shielding his wife and daughter. Or why such a God, for example, didn’t spare the school children of Uvalde from a similar deadly shooter with an AR-15.

But such qualms did not appear to trouble MAGA stalwarts, whose blind faith in the righteousness of far-right American politics continues to rival, if not trump, any genuine faith in Jesus. 

That is how the Rolling Stone article ends. 

The issue is not divine intervention per se but God's Absolute Sovereignty. God does not divinely intervene in history, he actively guides it to its final end which is the second coming of Christ and the manifestation of the Sons of God.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

The fact is God saved Donald Trump and killed Corey Comperatore. After all, God kills and makes alive. 

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

All that comes to pass is a result of God's will.

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will

Head 1 of the Sum of Saving Knowledge sums up the Bible's teaching about God's covering direction of history. 

I. The almighty and eternal God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, three distinct persons in the one and the same undivided Godhead, equally infinite in all perfections, did, before time, most wisely decree, for his own glory, whatsoever cometh to pass in time: and doth most holily and infallibly execute all his decrees, without being partaker of the sin of any creature.

https://www.apuritansmind.com/westminster-standards/the-sum-of-saving-knowledge/

It's as simple as that. Believe it or not. It's not up to you anyway as God opens the eyes of those he will and blinds the rest. 

Friday, 26 July 2024

The Orthodox Study Bible Contradicts the Confession of Dositheus

The Confession of Dositheus, which is an authoritative document of Orthodoxy, defines faith as "a right notion of God and divine things." The Catechism of Philaret defines faith as trust, distinguishing it from knowledge. How does the Orthodox Study Bible define faith?



The OSB's definition of faith can be found in the note on Romans 5:1.



Faith in Christ makes us justified, an ongoing state of communion with Him. Because of this ongoing communion we have peace with God which is also ongoing. The Greek word pistis, here translated as faith, can also be rendered "faithfulness." Faith is more than the conviction that something is true. Genuine faithfulness is continuous loyalty and obedience to God. Such faithfulness justifies a person through God's grace

Look at the sleight of hand in this note.

1. Faith can be also be translated faithfulness.

2. Faith is more than conviction something is true.

Now here is the switch up.

3. Genuine faithfulness is continuous loyalty and obedience to God. 

4. Such faithfulness justifies a person before God.

The author went from discussing faith to discussing faithfulness in the blink of an eye. The problem is the author has not defined faith. Faithfulness presupposes faith. But what is faith? The author has merely changed terms rather than define it. This note is horrendously misleading. 

The Orthodox Study Bible contains a whole article about the doctrine of Justification which confirms this defintion of faith as faithfulness. 


 

For most of church history, salvation was seen as comprehending all of life: Christians believed in Christ, were baptized, and were nurtured in their salvation in the Church. Key doctrines of the faith centered around the Holy Trinity, the Incarnation of the Son of God, the atonement.

In Western Europe during the sixteenth century and before, however, justifiable concern arose among the Reformers over a prevailing understanding that salvation depended on human works of merit, and not on the grace and mercy of God. Their rediscovery of Romans 5 lead to the slogan sola fides: justification by faith alone.

This Reformation debate in the West raised the question for the Orthodox East: Why this new polarization of faith and works? It had been settled since the apostolic era that salvation was granted by the mercy of God to righteous men and women. Those baptized into Christ were called to believe in Him and do good works. An opposition of faith versus works was unprecedented in Orthodox thought.

The Orthodox understanding of justification differs from the Protestant in several ways.

1Justification and the new covenant. When Orthodox Christians approach the doctrine of salvation, the discussion centers around the new covenant. Justification—being or becoming righteous—by faith in God is part of being brought into a covenant relationship with Him. Whereas Israel was under the old covenant, in which salvation came through faith as revealed in the law, the Church is under the new covenant. Salvation comes through faith in Christ, who fulfills the law. We receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, who dwells in us, leading us to the knowledge of God the Father. Rather than justification as a legal acquittal before God, Orthodox believers see justification by faith as a covenant relationship with Him, centered in union with Christ (Rom 6:1–6).

Justification and God’s mercy. Orthodoxy emphasizes it is first God’s mercy—not our faith—that saves us. “Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God” (Rom 5:1, 2). It is God who initiates or makes the new covenant with us.

Justification by faith is dynamic, not static. For Orthodox Christians, faith is living, dynamic, continuous—never static or merely point-in-time. Faith is not something a Christian exercises only at one critical moment, expecting it to cover all the rest of his life. True faith is not just a decision, it’s a way of life. Thus, the Orthodox Christian sees salvation in at least three aspects: (a) I have been saved, being joined to Christ in Holy Baptism; (b) I am being saved, growing in Christ through the sacramental life of the Church; and (c) I will be saved, by the mercy of God at the Last Judgment.

Justification by faith, though not the major New Testament doctrine for Orthodox as it is for Protestants, poses no problem. But justification by faith alone brings up an objection. It contradicts Scripture, which says, “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only” (Jam 2:24). We are “justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law” (Rom 3:28), but nowhere does the Bible say we are justified by faith “alone.” On the contrary, “faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead” (Jam 2:17).

As Christians we are no longer under the demands of the Old Testament law (Rom 3:20), for Christ has fulfilled the law (Gal 2:21; 3:5, 24). By God’s mercy, we are brought into a new covenant relationship with Him. We who believe are granted entrance into His Kingdom by His grace. Through His mercy, we are justified by faith and empowered by God for good works or deeds of righteousness that bring glory to Him.

Faith here is defined as a way of life, i.e. faithfulness.

While the notes on the various usage of faith in the Orthodox Study Bible would make for a necessary inquiry I will only look at two passages from James cited in the article on justification. 

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

The note is as follows:


The faith that saves is a complete faith, not just the mind and the tongue but the whole man trusting in the living God. This means our faith and our relationship with God—our justification—are dynamic and living, Our faith grows and affects our actions, or it dies. “Faith alone” (by itself, v. 17), static faith, does not save. We must nurture our faith in God and love for Him through our works. “Do not say you are the temple of the Lord, writes Jeremiah [see Jer 7:3]; nor should you say that faith alone in our Lord Jesus Christ can save you, for this is impossible unless you acquire love for Him through your works. As for faith by itself, ‘the devils also believe, and tremble’” (MaxCon).

First of all the citation from St. Maximos the Confessor is of no use because it is not clear what he means by faith. Is it trust? Is it faithfulness? Is it a correct notion of God and divine things as the Confession of Dositheus says? 

Secondly there is now an element of trust added to the definition of faith. No longer is it loyalty and obedience or a way of life but "trusting in the living God."

The article also cites James 2:24.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

The note on this verse and the preceding section which is about Abraham is as follows:


The faith of Abraham is living and active.

(1) In Gn12:1-3, when Abraham is 75 years old, he receives a call to forsake all and follow God

(2) In Gn 15:6, when Abraham is almost 85, after he has proven his faith through years of renouncing his land, family, property, and privileges, God promises him that he will ultimately regain everything he has given up. Abraham's faith in God's promise is “accounted to him for righteousness." God fulfills Abrahams faith by making a covenant with him, an OT liturgical and sacramental act.

(3) In Gn 22:1-19, Abraham is at least 110. He has been tested for years concerning God's promise of a son, Now, after the covenant sacrament of initiation (circumcision) has been given in Gn 17, comes Abraham's supreme test: the sacrifice of Isaac, his son of promise (Gn 15:6).

James reveals that Gn 15:6 is fulfilled in Gn 22. This is a crucial lesson for us in our understanding of justification by faith. Neither Abraham’s faith nor his justification is merely momentary, static, or once-and-for-all. It is dynamic, a growth process that finds its natural and normal realization in good works. Far from being just point-in-time, Abraham's justification covered at least 25 years after God first declared him just. It is living and active faith that saves!

According to this note Genesis 15:6, "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness" finds fulfillment in Genesis 22 where Abraham was tempted to offer up Isaac. James 2:21 says:

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

What exactly is being fulfilled? Genesis 15:6 is not a promise but a declaration of righteousness based on Abraham's faith. The offering up of Isaac did not make Abraham righteous but it did prove he was a man of faith. As Hebrews 11:17-19 says:

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

There is no note on this passage but there is a note on verses 8 - 12 which describes the nature of Abraham and Sarah's faith.


Faith is simple, but it becomes many-splendored in our lives. For Abraham and Sarah it became a venturesome action (v. 8); obedience (v.8); patience (vv.9,10); trust (v.11); and confidence (v.11). Faith moves from the impermanence and discomfort of living in tents made by man (v.9) to the permanence and solace of the city built by God (v, 10).

Clearly the Orthodox Study Bible utilizes the word faith in many senses. Let's end with the glossary definition. 


FAITH Belief and trust in Christ as one’s Savior, or a reference to Orthodox Christianity as “The Faith.” The effects of this faith are freedom from the power of the DEVIL, the growth and maturity in VIRTUE, and progress toward perfection and union with God. One is saved by faith through GRACE—a living faith manifested by a righteous life. (See article,, “Justification by Faith,” at Rom 5; see also Rom 3:28; Gal 2:1; who have sinned against them (Mt 6:14, 15; Eph2:8; Jam 2:14—17.)

Here faith is defined as "trust in Christ as one's Savior." But this definition also says "one is saved by faith through GRACE—a living faith manifested by a righteous life." That makes faith not trust in Christ only but faithfulness as in loyalty and obedience as the notes on Romans 5 said. There are two contradicting definitions in this definition. 

The notes of the OSB warrant closer scrutiny but the point is it does not define faith as knowledge like the Confession of Dositheus.